Thomas: my opinion is that a strap makes the line just a bit harder to disengage from the cam cleat. the strap also holds the line 'up' to make a greater trip hazard v. the line laying on the cockpit floor. a personal thing really ... if you like the strap eye leave it installed. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Thu, 3/15/12, Thomas Howe <Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com> wrote:

I have a very similar system on m-217 666, which Tom Van Atta owned originally. The cam cleats have the strap that capture the line, would I be better off without it?

Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@TEHowe.com                   O --------(\ ---------- ~  (\  ~   ~   ~   ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  

-----Original Message-----

as requested by jerry, attached is a picture of the windward sheet system on Sage 17.

this system costs about 2/3rd less than the hardware discussed these past few days.

:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine

--- On Thu, 3/15/12, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:

...

I'm all in favor of controllable travellers and wouldn't be without one, but in my mind the value is in being able to pull the tra\veller to weather in > light and sometimes moderate air- not in the ability to letting it off the wind, which is better done with a vang.

I like to control it with a block and cleat at each end, so when you tack you can pull it UP quickly, from the weather side.  If you use an  endless control line you can pop it off on the other side as you tighten it.

Dave- can you senmd a pic of how you do it on the Sage, which is the same as I used to do on the M -17 as an optiion?

jerry