New subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 77, Issue 67

28 Jul 2009


      Snowbirds going North to Jackson Lake, Jenny Lake or Yellowstone Lake should 
stop by Bear Lake on the way North.  It is approximately 35 miles long and 7 
miles wide and sometimes called the "Carribean of the Rocky's" because of 
its amazing clear blue color that reminds one of the Carribean.
Bear Lake Marina State Park has an excellent launch and slips for 
overnighters.  You will see my M-17 "Fore Play" waiting quietly for my 
return.

All the Best,
Randy Wirth
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Today's Topics:
1. M15 storm jib for sale (Doug Kelch)
  2. Re: M-15 Ballast (W David Scobie)
  3. Re: M-15 Ballast (Jim Sadler)
  4. Re: M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!! (jerry)
  5. Re: steel punchings (kdocter@bellsouth.net)
  6. Re: Saililing Yellowstone Lake and Jackson Lake Wyoming
     (R.K.Graves)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>
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Subject: M_Boats: M15 storm jib for sale
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My old storm jib doesn't go with my new gaff rig so $100 takes it.
It was made locally by Potomac sailmakers, 5 oz cloth,? flat cut, probably 
about 60 or 70 % of a working jib.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
M15G #310
?" Seas the Day"
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast
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saying no to steel M15s is CRAZY!? the issue as linked are SO RARE.? the 
'steel issue' is OVERSTATED.? if looking at an older?boat get it's 
history - LONG TIME wet stored?? how well maintained?
?
when one talks about older boats you are likely to have these issue:? old 
blow out sails (about $1200 to replace main & jib), old outboard (about 
$1000 for a new Honda 2HP), trailer tires and hubs (about $400).? you then 
have the standing and running rigging ... cabin cushions ... rebedding the 
deck hardware ...
?
?
dave scobie
M17 #375 - SWEET PEA
visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
?
?
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Don't consider a 15 with steel.? It cost more to fix the problem than the
boat is worth
check this link
http://picasaweb.google.com/jascopacific/M15KeelRepair#
but I would'nt part with the Pelican
Captain Jim
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:08 PM
I have been considering the purchase of an older (early-mid 80s) 
Montgomery
15 but have been put off thus far by some of the reports of problems with
the steel ballast. Can anyone help calibrate these concerns by saying how
widespread and how severe these problems are? Do they occur in all
steel-ballasted M-15s as they age, or only those that have been kept in 
the
water most of the time? Does it represent a minor inconvenience that can
tolerated, or a downright risk of the keel coming apart? Are there 
measures
that can be taken to prevent or remedy the problem, short of major 
surgery?
Your collective wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks. The new guy.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:43:36 -0700
From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast
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I guess I was one of the unlucky ones with my steel keel.
To put it another way
If two identical M-15 were for sale for the same price I would buy the one
with the lead ballast and keel.
Captain Jim
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[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sadler
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:57 AM
To: 'Don Stickels'; 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast
Don't consider a 15 with steel.  It cost more to fix the problem than the
boat is worth
check this link
http://picasaweb.google.com/jascopacific/M15KeelRepair#
but I would'nt part with the Pelican
Captain Jim
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.com] On Behalf Of Don Stickels
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:08 PM
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Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Ballast
I have been considering the purchase of an older (early-mid 80s) 
Montgomery
15 but have been put off thus far by some of the reports of problems with
the steel ballast. Can anyone help calibrate these concerns by saying how
widespread and how severe these problems are? Do they occur in all
steel-ballasted M-15s as they age, or only those that have been kept in 
the
water most of the time? Does it represent a minor inconvenience that can
tolerated, or a downright risk of the keel coming apart? Are there 
measures
that can be taken to prevent or remedy the problem, short of major 
surgery?
Your collective wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks. The new guy.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:48:20 -0700
From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!!
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Way to go guys!  I told you that a storm jib works (or was that Lowell
North?)
jerry
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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!!
...
Congratulations Blake, Bob, George and Debbie.  Blake looks like the 
storm
jib paid off.  I may have get three new sails.  That would be after I get
the hole in my boat patched and actually get it into the water.
ken M15 # 128
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From: "Blake Reimer" <blkreimer@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: M_Boats: M-15's SWEEP THE CRUISER CHALLENGE X!!!
Late breaking news.....
With very pleasant breezes on a typical foggy day in Monterey, Montgomery
15 boats placed First and Second in the small boat division at the 
Cruiser
Challenge X hosted by the Potter Yachters and MPYC. That dirty, rotten
braggart, Blake Reimer and IOTA took First Place with two seconds and a
first for the 3 race series in a very tough tussle with 'Midget' an M15
owned and deftly handled by defending champion Bob Truman, who took two
bullets and a fourth for Second Place honors. Finishing out 7th were M15
owners George and Debbie Morrison who improved considerably between
Challenge IX and X.
Given that a well sailed M15 will be faster than a well sailed Potter 14,
the finish line was a 3-way tussle between IOTA, MIDGET and the JEAN
ALDEN, a beautiful, black, 15ft catboat built and skippered by Mike
Higgins, who took 3rd for the day. Based on the first two races, Bob
clearly had the quicker boat and better handling but faltered in the 
final
race when he chose to start the race with a reefed main in the quickening
afternoon breezes. Reimer took note and quickly hanked on his new EP
'storm jib', keeping his main full and that seemed to make the big
difference as Mr. Truman dropped back several places to fourth.
There was at least one M-17 in the 'big' boat class. 'Six', owned by - 
and
I am embarassed to say how age affects my memory - Whats-his-name. 
Trading
his older M15 for the new red striped beauty, racing for the first time 
in
the new boat he held on for 5th place.
What a good time we all had! And Montgomery boats are FUN to race against
each other! They are remarkably quick and responsive to tiller and trim
adjustments. When I got IOTA upwind in the breeze and dialed in, you 
could
feel her accelerate like a horse turning for home. It's a shame we can't
find a way to get a bunch of us together for a shoot out every now and
then...
It was a really good weekend with the Potters and I really appreciate the
effort they made to put it on.
Blake Reimer
M-15 IOTA
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:50:00 +0000
From: kdocter@bellsouth.net
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: steel punchings
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I've forgotten.  What year models have steel punchings?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:16:44 -0700
From: "R.K.Graves" <rkgraves@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Saililing Yellowstone Lake and Jackson Lake
Wyoming
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Bill,
It has been years, but the family and I twice did a week of sailing on
Jackson lake. The lake is beautiful and quite a bit warmer than
Yellowstone Lake; warm enough for swimming. We entered Teton Park from
the South entrance, and at the ranger station purchased a season
sailing permit.
At that time (16 years ago) there were 3 marinas on the lake and we
launched at the southern most; which had a very nice ramp and lots of
vehicle+trailer parking. For the duration of our trip we took moorings
each night at the two southern most marinas. As I recall, the northern
most marina did not have guest moorage, but had excellent ice cream!
Both trips were a great vacation. I believe you can call and make
mooring resv. There are not a lot of places on the lake to anchor for
the night. Mostly because the shallower areas were heavily infested
with mosquitoes and leaches.
The marina in the middle border a Park campground it was great fun to
go to the evening Ranger presentations. This same marina offered water
taxi service; you honk your horn and out they would come with a dingy
to give you a ride to shore (the kids thought that was the coolest).
Jackson Lake is a very deep lake and it is thought that the water temp
is warmer than Yellow Stone lake due to underwater geo-thermal
activity. Overall the water is crystal clear and you would be
hard-pressed to find a more beautiful setting.
As I said, it has been a while, but I believe of the two lakes I would
favor Jackson Lake due to its accessibility and conveniences.
Randy Graves
M17 #410
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Bill Kaiser<whkaiser@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Who has experience sailing these lakes ?We are looking to drag our M15 
from
Phoenix to cooler climes . ? Got the boating regs online for Yellowstone
Lake looks like one permit after another. ?Any help would be appreciated.
Bill and Dawn ? "Desert Dawn"
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