Looks good! Not sure what you coated it with, but a good epoxy barrier coat is smart if that isn't epoxy. (Epoxy, if you don't know, is photochemically reactive, but the CB won't be in the sun. At least not much, we hope!) Gerry, I haven't seen pics of your boat, but I do hope you have a transom ladder or steps, or will be installing such before sailing. (We live in an area where a lobsterman fell in one morning...cold water...no way back into his boat and drowned. Happens every year or so here.) Burt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
-Gerry
Yes, good advice. A monty 17 is tough to climb back into, especially when you are cold and out of breath from the cold immersion. I have a four step ss telescoping ladder that is totally above the water line when retracted and yet when the velcro is released from the water, slides down into the water at least 18 inches so you don't have to struggle to get that first step. I also installed a couple of stand off blocks on the transom under the ladder supports so when the ladder is deployed they hold it out slightly from the hull to make up for the roll of a man's weight causing the top of the transom to lean out over the ladder causing a problem with climbing back aboard. Pics are in the Msog Photosite under "AS IS", my Monty 17, 1977. Fair winds, Tom B On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:42 PM Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks good! Not sure what you coated it with, but a good epoxy barrier coat is smart if that isn't epoxy. (Epoxy, if you don't know, is photochemically reactive, but the CB won't be in the sun. At least not much, we hope!) Gerry, I haven't seen pics of your boat, but I do hope you have a transom ladder or steps, or will be installing such before sailing. (We live in an area where a lobsterman fell in one morning...cold water...no way back into his boat and drowned. Happens every year or so here.)
Burt
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
-Gerry
Burt, thanks for the info. I did pick up a 3 step telescoping ladder at Defender last week. It will be on before the boat goes in the water. I eyed up that freeboard and thought it would be tough to get in. We also want to be able to swim when it's warm enough. Oh, primer is Interlux 2000e. -Gerry
On Apr 1, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks good! Not sure what you coated it with, but a good epoxy barrier coat is smart if that isn't epoxy. (Epoxy, if you don't know, is photochemically reactive, but the CB won't be in the sun. At least not much, we hope!) Gerry, I haven't seen pics of your boat, but I do hope you have a transom ladder or steps, or will be installing such before sailing. (We live in an area where a lobsterman fell in one morning...cold water...no way back into his boat and drowned. Happens every year or so here.)
Burt
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
-Gerry
Thanks! Yes, about 11 years ago my wife was tired of seeing me working out in the mud, snow and rain; she said it was time for a workshop, so what could I do but go along with it? LOL Best thing we did here. On Monday, April 1, 2019, 8:20:07 PM EDT, Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: Nice workshop! Keith R. Martin, P.Eng Serenity, M17 #353 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote: -Gerry
great shop GERRY, can you tell us your procedure for lifting the m 17 ? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks! Yes, about 11 years ago my wife was tired of seeing me working out in the mud, snow and rain; she said it was time for a workshop, so what could I do but go along with it? LOL Best thing we did here. On Monday, April 1, 2019, 8:20:07 PM EDT, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice workshop!
Keith R. Martin, P.Eng Serenity, M17 #353
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
-Gerry
Sure, but I cheat a bit (I have a gantry). To start, I backed my trailer up so the tires ended up on blocks about 3" off the floor. I then chocked the tires and disconnected the tow vehicle. Then I lowered the front trailer jack as low as I could so the stern came up higher off the ground. I installed the 2 rear stands and chained them together. I then used my floor jack and a few blocks to lift the front portion of the trailer enough to level the boat.At this point I had my gantry over the boat just forward of the stub keel, and I ran a strap under the boat hull up to a chainfall. By taking up on the chainfall I was able to lift the boat off the trailer. Lowering my floor jack and using the trailer jack allowed the trailer to drop further away so I was then able to ease the trailer forward and down the ramp blocks I had backed it up on, and rolled it outside. Then I installed the forward set of stands along with the the V stand on the bow, and once the centerboard was out I set some of the boat weight on blocks under the keel (by lowering the stands a bit (along with letting out on the chainfall). So the gantry crane makes it like cheating. If I didn't have that I would have had to jack, block under the keel, inch the trailer forward, jack, block, inch forward, and repeat until I cleared all trailer side to side frame members and axle. This would have left the trailer on two rear stands and blocks under the stub keel. I would then get the front 3 stands in place. Someone has a youtube video showing this method. In reality my move was not quite that easy because of the long splice on my centerboard pennant; it interfered with raising the CB all the way. I don't know how they regularly used the boat trailer this way; the CB was low hanging enough that it would hit a trailer cross member when trying to pull the trailer out. Fortunately my brother was visiting, so he lifted the CB with a 2x6 against a frame rail while I eased the trailer forward. He was then able to ease the CB down behind the last crossmember. On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 10:07:47 AM EDT, carlos navarro <chisailor1@gmail.com> wrote: great shop GERRY, can you tell us your procedure for lifting the m 17 ? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Thanks! Yes, about 11 years ago my wife was tired of seeing me working out in the mud, snow and rain; she said it was time for a workshop, so what could I do but go along with it? LOL Best thing we did here. On Monday, April 1, 2019, 8:20:07 PM EDT, Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: Nice workshop! Keith R. Martin, P.Eng Serenity, M17 #353 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote: -Gerry
Garry. Be great if you could document all your recommissioning tasks on the MSOGphotosite.com so they are easily accessed in the future by others. The email listproc is a bit clunky for searching and photos are not archived. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 7:55 AM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Sure, but I cheat a bit (I have a gantry). To start, I backed my trailer up so the tires ended up on blocks about 3" off the floor. I then chocked the tires and disconnected the tow vehicle. Then I lowered the front trailer jack as low as I could so the stern came up higher off the ground. I installed the 2 rear stands and chained them together. I then used my floor jack and a few blocks to lift the front portion of the trailer enough to level the boat.At this point I had my gantry over the boat just forward of the stub keel, and I ran a strap under the boat hull up to a chainfall. By taking up on the chainfall I was able to lift the boat off the trailer. Lowering my floor jack and using the trailer jack allowed the trailer to drop further away so I was then able to ease the trailer forward and down the ramp blocks I had backed it up on, and rolled it outside. Then I installed the forward set of stands along with the the V stand on the bow, and once the centerboard was out I set some of the boat weight on blocks under the keel (by lowering the stands a bit (along with letting out on the chainfall). So the gantry crane makes it like cheating. If I didn't have that I would have had to jack, block under the keel, inch the trailer forward, jack, block, inch forward, and repeat until I cleared all trailer side to side frame members and axle. This would have left the trailer on two rear stands and blocks under the stub keel. I would then get the front 3 stands in place. Someone has a youtube video showing this method. In reality my move was not quite that easy because of the long splice on my centerboard pennant; it interfered with raising the CB all the way. I don't know how they regularly used the boat trailer this way; the CB was low hanging enough that it would hit a trailer cross member when trying to pull the trailer out. Fortunately my brother was visiting, so he lifted the CB with a 2x6 against a frame rail while I eased the trailer forward. He was then able to ease the CB down behind the last crossmember.
On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 10:07:47 AM EDT, carlos navarro < chisailor1@gmail.com> wrote:
great shop GERRY, can you tell us your procedure for lifting the m 17 ? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks! Yes, about 11 years ago my wife was tired of seeing me working out in the mud, snow and rain; she said it was time for a workshop, so what could I do but go along with it? LOL Best thing we did here. On Monday, April 1, 2019, 8:20:07 PM EDT, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice workshop!
Keith R. Martin, P.Eng Serenity, M17 #353
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
-Gerry
I guess I better start taking more photos! It'll be good for my records too. Oh, more info on getting it off the trailer to anyone interested. Since this was my first time doing it, I was concerned about the hull strength as I transferred weight to the two rear stands. I watched for flex or deformation, but saw none at all. It seemed like a safe way to do it. And as I think about it, I think they were able to use it with this CB pennant because the launch ramps are steep enough to float the boat off and away without hitting the crossmembers. Same with retrieval. That said, I'm fixing it so I can pull the CB up all the way. On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 11:07:02 AM EDT, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Garry. Be great if you could document all your recommissioning tasks on the MSOGphotosite.com so they are easily accessed in the future by others. The email listproc is a bit clunky for searching and photos are not archived. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 7:55 AM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Sure, but I cheat a bit (I have a gantry). To start, I backed my trailer up so the tires ended up on blocks about 3" off the floor. I then chocked the tires and disconnected the tow vehicle. Then I lowered the front trailer jack as low as I could so the stern came up higher off the ground. I installed the 2 rear stands and chained them together. I then used my floor jack and a few blocks to lift the front portion of the trailer enough to level the boat.At this point I had my gantry over the boat just forward of the stub keel, and I ran a strap under the boat hull up to a chainfall. By taking up on the chainfall I was able to lift the boat off the trailer. Lowering my floor jack and using the trailer jack allowed the trailer to drop further away so I was then able to ease the trailer forward and down the ramp blocks I had backed it up on, and rolled it outside. Then I installed the forward set of stands along with the the V stand on the bow, and once the centerboard was out I set some of the boat weight on blocks under the keel (by lowering the stands a bit (along with letting out on the chainfall). So the gantry crane makes it like cheating. If I didn't have that I would have had to jack, block under the keel, inch the trailer forward, jack, block, inch forward, and repeat until I cleared all trailer side to side frame members and axle. This would have left the trailer on two rear stands and blocks under the stub keel. I would then get the front 3 stands in place. Someone has a youtube video showing this method. In reality my move was not quite that easy because of the long splice on my centerboard pennant; it interfered with raising the CB all the way. I don't know how they regularly used the boat trailer this way; the CB was low hanging enough that it would hit a trailer cross member when trying to pull the trailer out. Fortunately my brother was visiting, so he lifted the CB with a 2x6 against a frame rail while I eased the trailer forward. He was then able to ease the CB down behind the last crossmember. On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 10:07:47 AM EDT, carlos navarro <chisailor1@gmail.com> wrote: great shop GERRY, can you tell us your procedure for lifting the m 17 ? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:03 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Thanks! Yes, about 11 years ago my wife was tired of seeing me working out in the mud, snow and rain; she said it was time for a workshop, so what could I do but go along with it? LOL Best thing we did here. On Monday, April 1, 2019, 8:20:07 PM EDT, Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: Nice workshop! Keith R. Martin, P.Eng Serenity, M17 #353 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:54 PM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote: -Gerry
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Gerry Lempicki -
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Randy Graves -
Thomas Buzzi