I have two Honda 4 hp, 60 lbs, with one 10 years old and a new with 1.4 liter internal tank. Having had a number of others I would not consider anything but Honda. I have alway left my motor on the mount with all boats I’ve owned when trailering. One trip West to East Coast longest. When I bought my M-17, 2005, it had spent It’s life on the Chesapeake with a Honda BF 2.3 on it. It did not meet my needs for long distance, plus I like having reverse over swinging the motor. I can’t comment on the 2.3 as to power but with my 4 hp I run at mid power in everything on Lake Ontario. The reason for distance is I’m in upper NY with lots of canals and the same in Canada. A big plus for me with the New 4 hp is the internal tank option but when needed you can attach an external tank by the flip of a switch on Motor. I paid $1300 for my 4 hp and out of curiosity checked cost of 2.3, $999. Frankly I believe all the advantages you get with the 4 hp is well worth the cost. The only advantage i see to the 2.3 is if you wanted to take it on or off the mount often. It does have a great reputation. I should also add I have a security line attaching motor to mount just in case for both on road and in water. I use a bicycle cable lock. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hello fellow Monty owners, my 1982 M17 came with a trusty old Evinrude 4hp, 2 cylinder version (see attached, old picture). Advantage -- lightweight (35lbs). Disadvantages -- works only sometimes, and has left me stranded a number of times in no-wind conditions; very noisy; uses smelly gasoline -- my wife complains about this a lot; no reverse; no alternator. Recently it has caused me enough troubles that I decided to try looking for another motor. One model that I was looking at was the Tohatsu Propane 5hp which seemed to do everything right. Until I looked at the weight -- well over 65 lbs! As currently set up, my boat has the original fixed motor mount, and I leave the Evinrude there all the time, including when trailering long distances. Never had a problem. After seeing the weight of the Tohatsu, I started having doubts that it would be a good idea to get it. I fear that keeping it on the mount all the time will damage my transom or my mount during trailering. Three questions: a) Does anyone have experience with keeping a heavy motor on the mount all the time?b) If the Tohatsu is not the right one, are there recommendations for a lightweight, reliable, motor for the M17 that is quiet and has reverse? I don't think the Honda 2hp is powerful enough for the M17. c) Alternatively, do people feel that I may simply be better off doing a complete refurbishing of my Evinrude? I could get it in tip top shape for about $150, I guess. I am handy with mechanicals, and I have in the past replaced points, condensers, etc. Thanks for all your comments!Andrei.
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Thank you, Charlie. One quick question -- what kind of mount do you have on your M17? Did you need to install a new mount, or are you using the original, fixed mount? Thanks,Andrei. On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 08:02:46 AM CDT, Charlie <chaada@aol.com> wrote: I have two Honda 4 hp, 60 lbs, with one 10 years old and a new with 1.4 liter internal tank. Having had a number of others I would not consider anything but Honda. I have alway left my motor on the mount with all boats I’ve owned when trailering. One trip West to East Coast longest. When I bought my M-17, 2005, it had spent It’s life on the Chesapeake with a Honda BF 2.3 on it. It did not meet my needs for long distance, plus I like having reverse over swinging the motor. I can’t comment on the 2.3 as to power but with my 4 hp I run at mid power in everything on Lake Ontario. The reason for distance is I’m in upper NY with lots of canals and the same in Canada. A big plus for me with the New 4 hp is the internal tank option but when needed you can attach an external tank by the flip of a switch on Motor. I paid $1300 for my 4 hp and out of curiosity checked cost of 2.3, $999. Frankly I believe all the advantages you get with the 4 hp is well worth the cost. The only advantage i see to the 2.3 is if you wanted to take it on or off the mount often. It does have a great reputation. I should also add I have a security line attaching motor to mount just in case for both on road and in water. I use a bicycle cable lock. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hello fellow Monty owners, my 1982 M17 came with a trusty old Evinrude 4hp, 2 cylinder version (see attached, old picture). Advantage -- lightweight (35lbs). Disadvantages -- works only sometimes, and has left me stranded a number of times in no-wind conditions; very noisy; uses smelly gasoline -- my wife complains about this a lot; no reverse; no alternator. Recently it has caused me enough troubles that I decided to try looking for another motor. One model that I was looking at was the Tohatsu Propane 5hp which seemed to do everything right. Until I looked at the weight -- well over 65 lbs! As currently set up, my boat has the original fixed motor mount, and I leave the Evinrude there all the time, including when trailering long distances. Never had a problem. After seeing the weight of the Tohatsu, I started having doubts that it would be a good idea to get it. I fear that keeping it on the mount all the time will damage my transom or my mount during trailering. Three questions: a) Does anyone have experience with keeping a heavy motor on the mount all the time?b) If the Tohatsu is not the right one, are there recommendations for a lightweight, reliable, motor for the M17 that is quiet and has reverse? I don't think the Honda 2hp is powerful enough for the M17. c) Alternatively, do people feel that I may simply be better off doing a complete refurbishing of my Evinrude? I could get it in tip top shape for about $150, I guess. I am handy with mechanicals, and I have in the past replaced points, condensers, etc. Thanks for all your comments!Andrei.
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Andrei: Very few of the second generation M17s have fixed mounts. I believe Jerry only installed the fixed mounts at request - usually someone that was a racer (back when there were actually a good number of M17s actually racing). I'll also bet the fixed mount is the same as those on the Jerry built M15s. 4-cycle powerheads don't work well with the fixed mounts. Are you just wanting to avoid 'hastle' of replacing your current fixed motor mount? :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 AM Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thank you, Charlie. One quick question -- what kind of mount do you have on your M17? Did you need to install a new mount, or are you using the original, fixed mount? Thanks,Andrei. On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 08:02:46 AM CDT, Charlie < chaada@aol.com> wrote:
I have two Honda 4 hp, 60 lbs, with one 10 years old and a new with 1.4 liter internal tank. Having had a number of others I would not consider anything but Honda. I have alway left my motor on the mount with all boats I’ve owned when trailering. One trip West to East Coast longest.
When I bought my M-17, 2005, it had spent It’s life on the Chesapeake with a Honda BF 2.3 on it.
It did not meet my needs for long distance, plus I like having reverse over swinging the motor. I can’t comment on the 2.3 as to power but with my 4 hp I run at mid power in everything on Lake Ontario. The reason for distance is I’m in upper NY with lots of canals and the same in Canada. A big plus for me with the New 4 hp is the internal tank option but when needed you can attach an external tank by the flip of a switch on Motor.
I paid $1300 for my 4 hp and out of curiosity checked cost of 2.3, $999. Frankly I believe all the advantages you get with the 4 hp is well worth the cost. The only advantage i see to the 2.3 is if you wanted to take it on or off the mount often. It does have a great reputation. I should also add I have a security line attaching motor to mount just in case for both on road and in water. I use a bicycle cable lock.
Charlie
I think I’m hung up on the Motor mount trying to find what I have. Must no longer being sold. When I google there are many mounts and a number at $150 or less. During all this I have been able to but a new coat of bottom paint on my M-17. Snow will be here in a month or less so under pressure to get all done so it’s ready for spring. Charlie Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrei:
Very few of the second generation M17s have fixed mounts. I believe Jerry only installed the fixed mounts at request - usually someone that was a racer (back when there were actually a good number of M17s actually racing). I'll also bet the fixed mount is the same as those on the Jerry built M15s.
4-cycle powerheads don't work well with the fixed mounts.
Are you just wanting to avoid 'hastle' of replacing your current fixed motor mount?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 AM Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thank you, Charlie. One quick question -- what kind of mount do you have on your M17? Did you need to install a new mount, or are you using the original, fixed mount? Thanks,Andrei. On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 08:02:46 AM CDT, Charlie < chaada@aol.com> wrote:
I have two Honda 4 hp, 60 lbs, with one 10 years old and a new with 1.4 liter internal tank. Having had a number of others I would not consider anything but Honda. I have alway left my motor on the mount with all boats I’ve owned when trailering. One trip West to East Coast longest.
When I bought my M-17, 2005, it had spent It’s life on the Chesapeake with a Honda BF 2.3 on it.
It did not meet my needs for long distance, plus I like having reverse over swinging the motor. I can’t comment on the 2.3 as to power but with my 4 hp I run at mid power in everything on Lake Ontario. The reason for distance is I’m in upper NY with lots of canals and the same in Canada. A big plus for me with the New 4 hp is the internal tank option but when needed you can attach an external tank by the flip of a switch on Motor.
I paid $1300 for my 4 hp and out of curiosity checked cost of 2.3, $999. Frankly I believe all the advantages you get with the 4 hp is well worth the cost. The only advantage i see to the 2.3 is if you wanted to take it on or off the mount often. It does have a great reputation. I should also add I have a security line attaching motor to mount just in case for both on road and in water. I use a bicycle cable lock.
Charlie
Charlie. Your Bob built M17 has a Garhauer OB-125 (I'm 99% sure of this). The mount is still available from Garhauer (call as their www-site is poor) or from Catalina Direct (search C.D.'s site for 'motor mount' and look for the 'two spring model' ... stock mount on the Catalina/Capri 22). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 1:26 PM Charlie Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I think I’m hung up on the Motor mount trying to find what I have. Must no longer being sold. When I google there are many mounts and a number at $150 or less.
During all this I have been able to but a new coat of bottom paint on my M-17. Snow will be here in a month or less so under pressure to get all done so it’s ready for spring.
Charlie
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