New subject: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard

7 Jul 2010

Here are some alternatives for attaching jib sheets:
http://www.msog.org/how-to/sails/kelch_jibclew.cfm

Length:  remember that the sheet has to run from (for one side) the stbd
coaming (your hand) to the port coaming winch (around a few times) to the
port turning block, around the port shrouds, the mast, the stbd shrouds, and
back to the clew of the jib (bigger jib = more distance towards the stern)
all times 2 plus extra for stopper knots and attachment to the sail.  You
may shave a wee bit out of that by saying that you want to start out at the
leeward turning block plus a foot or so, but I prefer a little extra instead
of having to chase down the tail.  That way too I can get the new sheet all
set up for the next tack....

My sheets are 5/16" sta-set.  I like the 5/16" (runs well, but not too small
as to be hard on hands), but sta-set is a little too stiff, imho.  Perhaps
someone else knows of a better brand with a softer lay.

Tod Mills
M17 #408, 1987 galley model
BuscaBrisas

Sally is looking for a boat to crew on:  (novice, but eager to learn the
ropes!)  http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv

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> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe
> Murphy
> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:20 PM
> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
> 
> Definitely not a carabiner.  When that headsail starts whipping
> around....ouch!!
> I used on continuous line with a harness knot.  On tacks the simple
> knot slips around hatches and hardware without getting hung up.
> Joe
> Seafrog M17
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Shawn Boles
>   To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM
>   Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
> 
> 
>   Hi:
> 
> 
> 
>   On another topic.
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> 
> 
>   a.   What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle?
> 
> 
> 
>   1.  Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight?
> 
>   2.  Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline
> through bight of first?
> 
>   3.  Carabiner?
> 
>   4.  Brunell hook?
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> 
> 
>   b.  What size, material, and length of  rope are best for M17
> standard jib sheets?
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>   Cheers and thanks in advance,
> 
> 
>   Shawn Boles
>   Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
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>   To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'
>   Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
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> 
> 
>   I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern
> rope.
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> 
>   Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach.
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>   Tod Mills
> 
>   M17 #408, 1987 galley model
> 
>   BuscaBrisas
> 
>   w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus
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>   and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog:
> loves
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>   the water!
> 
>   http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
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>   > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
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>   > Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
> 
>   >
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>   > Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-
> 11, to
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>   > practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my
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>   > colleague
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>   > who is crewing with me for the event.
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>   > Neil
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>   > From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov
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>   > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700
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>   > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
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>   > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
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>   > Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my
> halyards.
> 
>   > Green tracer starboard, red tracer port.  Either 1/4" or 5/16".
> Use
> 
>   > either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale
> is
> 
>   > on).  Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of
> tracer
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>   > colors.
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>   > Do you have downhauls on your Monty?  I have my jib rigged but not
> the
> 
>   > main....that is next.
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>   >
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>   > Where are you headed next for sailing?  ----Larry Hughston  Old
> 189.
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>   > Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
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>   >
> 
>   > Hey guys,
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe
> and
> 
>   > prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I
> 
>   > acquired
> 
>   > it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a
> shackle,
> 
>   > as
> 
>   > I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
> 
>   >
> 
>   > The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type
> shackle.
> 
>   > Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end
> shackle,
> 
>   > it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope.
> 
>   > While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem
> is
> 
>   > that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the
> 
>   > point
> 
>   > with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the
> 
>   > fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the
> 
>   > halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to
> rope
> 
>   > joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up
> top
> 
>   > around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it
> 
>   > happens at the worst possible time.
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>   >
> 
>   > My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main
> 
>   > halyard?
> 
>   > Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope
> halyard?
> 
>   > Bowline? Buntline?
> 
>   >
> 
>   > When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try
> doing
> 
>   > my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has
> 
>   > proven to be effective and reliable.
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Thanks all,
> 
>   >
> 
>   > Neil Dorf
> 
>   > 1985 M15 #334
> 
>   > Roseville CA
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Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard

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