Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main. Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event. Neil Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors. Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next. Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard Hey guys, Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer. The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy). The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time. My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline? When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable. Thanks all, Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail
I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope. Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA
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Hi: On another topic. a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle? 1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight of first? 3. Carabiner? 4. Brunell hook? b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib sheets? Cheers and thanks in advance, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope. Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
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Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to
practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my
colleague
who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
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From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards.
Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use
either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is
on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer
colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the
main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
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Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and
prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I
acquired
it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle,
as
I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle.
Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle,
it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope.
While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is
that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the
point
with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the
fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the
halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope
joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top
around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it
happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main
halyard?
Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard?
Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing
my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has
proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf
1985 M15 #334
Roseville CA
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Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! I used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips around hatches and hardware without getting hung up. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. Hi: On another topic. a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle? 1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight of first? 3. Carabiner? 4. Brunell hook? b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib sheets? Cheers and thanks in advance, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope. Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves the water! http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
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Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to
practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my
colleague
who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards.
Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use
either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is
on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer
colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the
main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
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Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and
prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I
acquired
it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle,
as
I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle.
Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle,
it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope.
While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is
that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the
point
with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the
fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the
halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope
joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top
around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it
happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main
halyard?
Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard?
Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing
my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has
proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf
1985 M15 #334
Roseville CA
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Here are some alternatives for attaching jib sheets: http://www.msog.org/how-to/sails/kelch_jibclew.cfm Length: remember that the sheet has to run from (for one side) the stbd coaming (your hand) to the port coaming winch (around a few times) to the port turning block, around the port shrouds, the mast, the stbd shrouds, and back to the clew of the jib (bigger jib = more distance towards the stern) all times 2 plus extra for stopper knots and attachment to the sail. You may shave a wee bit out of that by saying that you want to start out at the leeward turning block plus a foot or so, but I prefer a little extra instead of having to chase down the tail. That way too I can get the new sheet all set up for the next tack.... My sheets are 5/16" sta-set. I like the 5/16" (runs well, but not too small as to be hard on hands), but sta-set is a little too stiff, imho. Perhaps someone else knows of a better brand with a softer lay. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas Sally is looking for a boat to crew on: (novice, but eager to learn the ropes!) http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe > Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:20 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. > > Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping > around....ouch!! > I used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple > knot slips around hatches and hardware without getting hung up. > Joe > Seafrog M17 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shawn Boles > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. > > > Hi: > > > > On another topic. > > > > a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle? > > > > 1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight? > > 2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline > through bight of first? > > 3. Carabiner? > > 4. Brunell hook? > > > > b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 > standard jib sheets? > > > > > > Cheers and thanks in advance, > > > Shawn Boles > Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > htmills@zoominternet.net > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard > > > > I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern > rope. > > > > Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach. > > > > > > Tod Mills > > M17 #408, 1987 galley model > > BuscaBrisas > > w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus > > > > and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: > loves > > the water! > > http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: montgomery_boats- > > > bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats- > > > bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > > > ndorf@surfbest.net > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:32 PM > > > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard > > > > > > Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main. > > > > > > Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10- > 11, to > > > practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my > > > colleague > > > who is crewing with me for the event. > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > Original Message: > > > ----------------- > > > From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov > > > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 > > > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard > > > > > > > > > Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my > halyards. > > > Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". > Use > > > either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale > is > > > on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of > tracer > > > colors. > > > > > > Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not > the > > > main....that is next. > > > > > > Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old > 189. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > > > ndorf@surfbest.net > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM > > > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > > > Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard > > > > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer. > > > > > > The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe > and > > > prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I > > > acquired > > > it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a > shackle, > > > as > > > I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy). > > > > > > The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type > shackle. > > > Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end > shackle, > > > it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. > > > While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem > is > > > that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the > > > point > > > with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the > > > fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the > > > halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to > rope > > > joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up > top > > > around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it > > > happens at the worst possible time. > > > > > > My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main > > > halyard? > > > Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope > halyard? > > > Bowline? Buntline? > > > > > > When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try > doing > > > my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has > > > proven to be effective and reliable. > > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > > > Neil Dorf > > > 1985 M15 #334 > > > Roseville CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- > bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- > bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on > > > MicrosoftR > > > Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- > bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2981 - Release Date: > > > 07/07/10 06:36:00 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.439 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2981 - Release Date: > 07/07/10 06:36:00
Joe: I'm with you. the harness knot works well, doesn't slip, and doesn't often hang up on the shrouds. My M17 has a roller furling jib, so the sheet doesn't need to move to different head sails. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On Jul 7, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! I used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips around hatches and hardware without getting hung up. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Hi:
On another topic.
a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle?
1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight?
2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight of first?
3. Carabiner?
4. Brunell hook?
b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib sheets?
Cheers and thanks in advance,
Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
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I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope.
Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach.
Tod Mills
M17 #408, 1987 galley model
BuscaBrisas
w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus
and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves
the water!
http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
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Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to
practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my
colleague
who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
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From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards.
Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use
either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is
on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer
colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the
main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
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Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and
prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I
acquired
it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle,
as
I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle.
Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle,
it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope.
While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is
that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the
point
with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the
fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the
halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope
joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top
around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it
happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main
halyard?
Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard?
Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing
my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has
proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf
1985 M15 #334
Roseville CA
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I went sailing yesterday down around the Beaufort Inlet (NC) and had to tack quite a few times and never had the 130 get hung up. So I'm happy with the arrangement. I also set up a back stay tensioner and found that it's helpful for reefing the headsail. Keeps that added weight right around the flexible furler a little more taut. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary M Hyde To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib. Joe: I'm with you. the harness knot works well, doesn't slip, and doesn't often hang up on the shrouds. My M17 has a roller furling jib, so the sheet doesn't need to move to different head sails. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On Jul 7, 2010, at 2:20 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Definitely not a carabiner. When that headsail starts whipping around....ouch!! I used on continuous line with a harness knot. On tacks the simple knot slips around hatches and hardware without getting hung up. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - attaching sheets to jib.
Hi:
On another topic.
a. What is preferred method for attaching sheets to jib cringle?
1. Single line pushed through cringle and looped back through bight?
2. Two sheets one w/ bowline through cringle, other w/ bowline through bight of first?
3. Carabiner?
4. Brunell hook?
b. What size, material, and length of rope are best for M17 standard jib sheets?
Cheers and thanks in advance,
Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:56 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
I switched to all rope halyards too....easy, works well with modern rope.
Downhaul on jib; the main luff is within easy reach.
Tod Mills
M17 #408, 1987 galley model
BuscaBrisas
w/ four-legged furry crew Rudy & Gus
and a foster pup named Sally who would probably be a super boat dog: loves
the water!
http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/BettyFuzzySally.wmv
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main.
Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to
practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my
colleague
who is crewing with me for the event.
Neil
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From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards.
Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use
either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is
on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer
colors.
Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the
main....that is next.
Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189.
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Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard
Hey guys,
Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer.
The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and
prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I
acquired
it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle,
as
I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy).
The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle.
Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle,
it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope.
While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is
that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the
point
with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the
fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the
halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope
joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top
around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it
happens at the worst possible time.
My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main
halyard?
Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard?
Bowline? Buntline?
When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing
my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has
proven to be effective and reliable.
Thanks all,
Neil Dorf
1985 M15 #334
Roseville CA
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Good for you Neil. A good adventure. Keep the life jacket on. Arrrrr. ----Larry Hughston with old M-15 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:32 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard Thanks Larry. I rig a downhaul for my jib but not the main. Headed to Oakland Estuary / Grand Ramp on Friday, launch btwn 10-11, to practice and tune-up for the Monterey Cruiser Challenge with my colleague who is crewing with me for the event. Neil Original Message: ----------------- From: Hughston, Larry Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:09:06 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard Neil, if this any help, I use Stay-Set double braided for my halyards. Green tracer starboard, red tracer port. Either 1/4" or 5/16". Use either Jamestown distributors or West Marine (but only when a sale is on). Duckworks is good too but they have a limited selection of tracer colors. Do you have downhauls on your Monty? I have my jib rigged but not the main....that is next. Where are you headed next for sailing? ----Larry Hughston Old 189. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of ndorf@surfbest.net Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice sought - wire to rope halyard Hey guys, Looking for some advice here on how to make my main halyard safer. The wire-to-rope connection on my '85 M15 has proven to be unsafe and prone to tangles. It is rigged up exactly the way it was when I acquired it from the previous owner. The wire piece terminates with a shackle, as I believe it should, but the rope end seems to be rather kludgy). The end of the rope part of the halyard is tied to a snap-type shackle. Rather than the shackle being just snapped on to the wire end shackle, it is fed through and then snapped back on the rope. While this arrangement has proven to be secure enough, the problem is that it creates a big bulge (think pig in the snake), right at the point with the two shrouds affix to the mast and also near the top of the fore-stay. Any amount of accidental buffeting in the wind of the halyard, while raising or lowering the main, causes the wire to rope joint (weighty such as it is) to easily get twisted and caught up top around the standing rigging. And when it happens, (Murphy's Law) it happens at the worst possible time. My question is, what is the factory standard setup for the main halyard? Was there supposed to be an eye splice at the end of the rope halyard? Bowline? Buntline? When it comes to sewing I'm all thumbs so I'm not inclined to try doing my own eye splice, so I'm hoping to hear that some other method has proven to be effective and reliable. Thanks all, Neil Dorf 1985 M15 #334 Roseville CA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft(r) Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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