Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
Bones, The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that. However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17 Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way. Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges. The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation. The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!). In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds! The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0. I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat. Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season. The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides. If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy. The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank. M sailing is pure unadultrated fun.......... Connie
Hi Connie, Where in Vermont are you? Would you mind showing off your beautiful M15 to a fellow Vermonter who is very interested in the M boats? I know the sailing season is over, but even a look on the trailer would be terrific! I've never seen a Montgomery except on the WWW, and it would help me with my boat buying decision.... (Right now, its a tie between a M15, Melonseed, and a Sea Pearl --- how is that for variety?) Wes -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert H Benneck Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:24 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs Bones, The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that. However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17 Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way. Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges. The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation. The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!). In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds! The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0. I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat. Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season. The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides. If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy. The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank. M sailing is pure unadultrated fun.......... Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Wes, I've tried the Sea Pearl and they are nice boats, but it has been sold and I am going to purchase either a new or late model M17. I wanted more room to get out of the weather/bugs than the convertible cabin affords on the Pearl, though I will miss the ability to float in 6 inches of water. Smitty " Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness." ----- Original Message ----- From: "wes" <wesvt@gmavt.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs Hi Connie, Where in Vermont are you? Would you mind showing off your beautiful M15 to a fellow Vermonter who is very interested in the M boats? I know the sailing season is over, but even a look on the trailer would be terrific! I've never seen a Montgomery except on the WWW, and it would help me with my boat buying decision.... (Right now, its a tie between a M15, Melonseed, and a Sea Pearl --- how is that for variety?) Wes -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert H Benneck Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:24 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs Bones, The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that. However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17 Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way. Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges. The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation. The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!). In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds! The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0. I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat. Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season. The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides. If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy. The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank. M sailing is pure unadultrated fun.......... Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi Smitty Tell us how the Sea Pearl sailed. It looks like a fun boat, how does it sail to weather? Is it dry sailing and easy to set up? Appreciate the feedback. Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227 Smitty wrote:
Wes, I've tried the Sea Pearl and they are nice boats, but it has been sold and I am going to purchase either a new or late model M17. I wanted more room to get out of the weather/bugs than the convertible cabin affords on the Pearl, though I will miss the ability to float in 6 inches of water. Smitty
" Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness."
----- Original Message ----- From: "wes" <wesvt@gmavt.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
Hi Connie,
Where in Vermont are you? Would you mind showing off your beautiful M15 to a fellow Vermonter who is very interested in the M boats? I know the sailing season is over, but even a look on the trailer would be terrific! I've never seen a Montgomery except on the WWW, and it would help me with my boat buying decision.... (Right now, its a tie between a M15, Melonseed, and a Sea Pearl --- how is that for variety?)
Wes
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert H Benneck Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:24 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
Bones,
The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that.
However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17
Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way.
Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges.
The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation.
The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!).
In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds!
The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0.
I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat.
Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season.
The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides.
If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy.
The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank.
M sailing is pure unadultrated fun..........
Connie
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Well, they are very well made boats and quite fast for a simple rig. Set up is a breeze, drop the masts in the step, attach the booms and unroll the sails from the masts as much or as little as you need. The lee-board boats are most common and roomier than the center board version. The ride can be a little wet in stronger wind since there is no real cabin to hide behind and free board is low. They are quite tender, even with the water ballast, until heeled over a ways then they are steady as a rock even if you slide over to leeward. If you do knock one down the forward cockpit cover or the cabin had best be in place as they ride very low in the water when swamped. I kept a 48" inflatable white water canoe float under the aft cockpit to make recovery easier. They are nice for one and ok for a couple with the convertible cabin up for a bug free night in safe shallow water and they will carry a LOT of gear. Once I retire I plan on spending too much time on the water to not have a hard cabin and I think I will roam far enough that I will feel more secure with the more sea worthy M-17. For the week ender, day sailor they are perfect, especially for the skinny water of FL and the Gulf in general. For more info. try: http://www.ij.net/wctss/wctss/index.htm and http://www.marine-concepts.com/ and the sea pearl group at yahoo: http://www.egroups.com/group/seapearl. I went from a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser to the Pearl and the Pearl was so easy to set up that I was much more inclined to go for a sail on short notice. If I could have two sail boats, I'd have a Pearl and a M-17. There are a couple of trimaran versions of the Sea Pearl 21 and there is a 28' version with more amenities as well as the Rob Roy 23 which is a nice canoe stern yawl or ketch by Ted Brewer built by Marine Concepts in Tarpon Springs, FL. Smitty " Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <Bobeeg@earthlink.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs Hi Smitty Tell us how the Sea Pearl sailed. It looks like a fun boat, how does it sail to weather? Is it dry sailing and easy to set up? Appreciate the feedback. Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227 Smitty wrote:
Wes, I've tried the Sea Pearl and they are nice boats, but it has been sold and I am going to purchase either a new or late model M17. I wanted more room to get out of the weather/bugs than the convertible cabin affords on the Pearl, though I will miss the ability to float in 6 inches of water. Smitty
" Sometimes I think I understand everything, then I regain consciousness."
----- Original Message ----- From: "wes" <wesvt@gmavt.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
Hi Connie,
Where in Vermont are you? Would you mind showing off your beautiful M15 to a fellow Vermonter who is very interested in the M boats? I know the sailing season is over, but even a look on the trailer would be terrific! I've never seen a Montgomery except on the WWW, and it would help me with my boat buying decision.... (Right now, its a tie between a M15, Melonseed, and a Sea Pearl --- how is that for variety?)
Wes
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert H Benneck Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:24 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
Bones,
The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that.
However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17
Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way.
Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges.
The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation.
The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!).
In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds!
The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0.
I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat.
Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season.
The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides.
If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy.
The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank.
M sailing is pure unadultrated fun..........
Connie
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