What do you use to cleat off your halyards? We currently have a cam cleat p & s of the hatch at the cabin bulkhead for the main and the jib. . Halyards lead from the mast base across to a cheek block beside the grab rail and aft to the cleat. Often the line is really tight after sailing several hours and is really hard to release from the cam cleat when it comes time to drop sail. I can pop it up out of the cams with some effort, but Julie has some trouble doing that. I am wondering if I am not slacking off the back stay adjuster to total slack and if this has tensioned the halyards somewhat. I can't check it now till sailing season. Anyone have an idea if this would affect the main halyard tension? I am trying to visualize the geometry. The backstay adjuster would tension the jib halyard for sure. Still on this subject I was looking at alternatives to the standard cam cleat. Spinlock makes an adjustable cleat, the PXR http://bit.ly/wXEhk7 with and adjustable spring and also a clutch type jammer the SUA http://bit.ly/wqBizE . Not sure if these release any easier. I know from sailing larger boats, it is best for the line to take up the slack with a winch before opening a clutch. Spinlock does mention using a winch with the SUA mini jammer. I wonder if just pulling some tension on the line tail first would let the jammer release okay. Our 2003 M17 doesn't have a halyard winch. Has anyone had any experience with these on their M boats? We are also adding a spinnaker halyard this year so will have to lead it aft to another cleat, or possibly cleat the jib off at the mast again. Has anyone added 2 sheave deck organizers forward of the hatch next to the grab rail? Seems like it might be a bit tight for 2 lines on the same side. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or experience. Would love to walk the docks at Havasu, but just cannot get there. Regards, Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON
I've used the Spinlock PX (not sure which model but it's the one that fit my halyard thickness) for the past two years and it works great. I've had no problems getting it loose even when I warp the halyard to get some extra tension. Can't help you with the advanced geometry lesson with respect to the tension on/off for the backstay tensioner Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Halyard cleats - horn, cam, jammers? What do you use to cleat off your halyards? We currently have a cam cleat p & s of the hatch at the cabin bulkhead for the main and the jib. . Halyards lead from the mast base across to a cheek block beside the grab rail and aft to the cleat. Often the line is really tight after sailing several hours and is really hard to release from the cam cleat when it comes time to drop sail. I can pop it up out of the cams with some effort, but Julie has some trouble doing that. I am wondering if I am not slacking off the back stay adjuster to total slack and if this has tensioned the halyards somewhat. I can't check it now till sailing season. Anyone have an idea if this would affect the main halyard tension? I am trying to visualize the geometry. The backstay adjuster would tension the jib halyard for sure. Still on this subject I was looking at alternatives to the standard cam cleat. Spinlock makes an adjustable cleat, the PXR http://bit.ly/wXEhk7 with and adjustable spring and also a clutch type jammer the SUA http://bit.ly/wqBizE . Not sure if these release any easier. I know from sailing larger boats, it is best for the line to take up the slack with a winch before opening a clutch. Spinlock does mention using a winch with the SUA mini jammer. I wonder if just pulling some tension on the line tail first would let the jammer release okay. Our 2003 M17 doesn't have a halyard winch. Has anyone had any experience with these on their M boats? We are also adding a spinnaker halyard this year so will have to lead it aft to another cleat, or possibly cleat the jib off at the mast again. Has anyone added 2 sheave deck organizers forward of the hatch next to the grab rail? Seems like it might be a bit tight for 2 lines on the same side. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or experience. Would love to walk the docks at Havasu, but just cannot get there. Regards, Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON
I'm old fashioned. I used standard horn cleats on the mast, and just make fast on them. Low tech, doesn't jam, easy to release, and easy to reach on the mast of my M15. Daniel On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I've used the Spinlock PX (not sure which model but it's the one that fit my halyard thickness) for the past two years and it works great. I've had no problems getting it loose even when I warp the halyard to get some extra tension. Can't help you with the advanced geometry lesson with respect to the tension on/off for the backstay tensioner Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Halyard cleats - horn, cam, jammers?
What do you use to cleat off your halyards?
We currently have a cam cleat p & s of the hatch at the cabin bulkhead for the main and the jib. . Halyards lead from the mast base across to a cheek block beside the grab rail and aft to the cleat.
Often the line is really tight after sailing several hours and is really hard to release from the cam cleat when it comes time to drop sail. I can pop it up out of the cams with some effort, but Julie has some trouble doing that. I am wondering if I am not slacking off the back stay adjuster to total slack and if this has tensioned the halyards somewhat. I can't check it now till sailing season.
Anyone have an idea if this would affect the main halyard tension? I am trying to visualize the geometry. The backstay adjuster would tension the jib halyard for sure.
Still on this subject I was looking at alternatives to the standard cam cleat. Spinlock makes an adjustable cleat, the PXR http://bit.ly/wXEhk7 with and adjustable spring and also a clutch type jammer the SUA http://bit.ly/wqBizE .
Not sure if these release any easier. I know from sailing larger boats, it is best for the line to take up the slack with a winch before opening a clutch. Spinlock does mention using a winch with the SUA mini jammer. I wonder if just pulling some tension on the line tail first would let the jammer release okay. Our 2003 M17 doesn't have a halyard winch.
Has anyone had any experience with these on their M boats?
We are also adding a spinnaker halyard this year so will have to lead it aft to another cleat, or possibly cleat the jib off at the mast again.
Has anyone added 2 sheave deck organizers forward of the hatch next to the grab rail? Seems like it might be a bit tight for 2 lines on the same side.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or experience. Would love to walk the docks at Havasu, but just cannot get there.
Regards,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON
Seems to me that the only thing that tensions the main halyard is the downhaul. If that's released, there should be no tension on the halyard as long as you're head to wind. I agree that horn cleats on the mast, which are easy to reach from the cockpit, are all you need on an M17. KISS works for me. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm old fashioned. I used standard horn cleats on the mast, and just make fast on them. Low tech, doesn't jam, easy to release, and easy to reach on the mast of my M15.
Daniel
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I've used the Spinlock PX (not sure which model but it's the one that fit my halyard thickness) for the past two years and it works great. I've had no problems getting it loose even when I warp the halyard to get some extra tension. Can't help you with the advanced geometry lesson with respect to the tension on/off for the backstay tensioner Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Halyard cleats - horn, cam, jammers?
What do you use to cleat off your halyards?
We currently have a cam cleat p & s of the hatch at the cabin bulkhead for the main and the jib. . Halyards lead from the mast base across to a cheek block beside the grab rail and aft to the cleat.
Often the line is really tight after sailing several hours and is really hard to release from the cam cleat when it comes time to drop sail. I can pop it up out of the cams with some effort, but Julie has some trouble doing that. I am wondering if I am not slacking off the back stay adjuster to total slack and if this has tensioned the halyards somewhat. I can't check it now till sailing season.
Anyone have an idea if this would affect the main halyard tension? I am trying to visualize the geometry. The backstay adjuster would tension the jib halyard for sure.
Still on this subject I was looking at alternatives to the standard cam cleat. Spinlock makes an adjustable cleat, the PXR http://bit.ly/wXEhk7 with and adjustable spring and also a clutch type jammer the SUA http://bit.ly/wqBizE .
Not sure if these release any easier. I know from sailing larger boats, it is best for the line to take up the slack with a winch before opening a clutch. Spinlock does mention using a winch with the SUA mini jammer. I wonder if just pulling some tension on the line tail first would let the jammer release okay. Our 2003 M17 doesn't have a halyard winch.
Has anyone had any experience with these on their M boats?
We are also adding a spinnaker halyard this year so will have to lead it aft to another cleat, or possibly cleat the jib off at the mast again.
Has anyone added 2 sheave deck organizers forward of the hatch next to the grab rail? Seems like it might be a bit tight for 2 lines on the same side.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or experience. Would love to walk the docks at Havasu, but just cannot get there.
Regards,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON
Good point Rick about the downhaul. Thanks. Can't say that it has always been released :( . Will watch what Julie is doing next time. She doesn't have the reach I do from the cockpit, and often times we are dealing with some pretty good waves, so not comfortable going to the mast. I am playing the throttle as the prop is coming up pretty high when we are pitching head to wind. Just the conditions we often deal with out of our "regular" port. Only about 4 months to be able to check it out. :) Bill On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Seems to me that the only thing that tensions the main halyard is the downhaul. If that's released, there should be no tension on the halyard as long as you're head to wind. I agree that horn cleats on the mast, which are easy to reach from the cockpit, are all you need on an M17. KISS works for me.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm old fashioned. I used standard horn cleats on the mast, and just make fast on them. Low tech, doesn't jam, easy to release, and easy to reach on the mast of my M15.
Daniel
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I've used the Spinlock PX (not sure which model but it's the one that fit my halyard thickness) for the past two years and it works great. I've had no problems getting it loose even when I warp the halyard to get some extra tension. Can't help you with the advanced geometry lesson with respect to the tension on/off for the backstay tensioner Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Halyard cleats - horn, cam, jammers?
What do you use to cleat off your halyards?
We currently have a cam cleat p & s of the hatch at the cabin bulkhead for the main and the jib. . Halyards lead from the mast base across to a cheek block beside the grab rail and aft to the cleat.
Often the line is really tight after sailing several hours and is really hard to release from the cam cleat when it comes time to drop sail. I can pop it up out of the cams with some effort, but Julie has some trouble doing that. I am wondering if I am not slacking off the back stay adjuster to total slack and if this has tensioned the halyards somewhat. I can't check it now till sailing season.
Anyone have an idea if this would affect the main halyard tension? I am trying to visualize the geometry. The backstay adjuster would tension the jib halyard for sure.
Still on this subject I was looking at alternatives to the standard cam cleat. Spinlock makes an adjustable cleat, the PXR http://bit.ly/wXEhk7 with and adjustable spring and also a clutch type jammer the SUA http://bit.ly/wqBizE .
Not sure if these release any easier. I know from sailing larger boats, it is best for the line to take up the slack with a winch before opening a clutch. Spinlock does mention using a winch with the SUA mini jammer. I wonder if just pulling some tension on the line tail first would let the jammer release okay. Our 2003 M17 doesn't have a halyard winch.
Has anyone had any experience with these on their M boats?
We are also adding a spinnaker halyard this year so will have to lead it aft to another cleat, or possibly cleat the jib off at the mast again.
Has anyone added 2 sheave deck organizers forward of the hatch next to the grab rail? Seems like it might be a bit tight for 2 lines on the same side.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or experience. Would love to walk the docks at Havasu, but just cannot get there.
Regards,
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON
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