Thanks Tod, I wasn`t aware of the [already] foiled rudder on your boats. The on going debate about `foiled` rudders goes on in the Com-pac site. The revisions are reaching near epic proportions. Some very good ideas are coming out of this, all looing at better performance. From a slip-on form to really an MIT thing, `spacey`... It`s very interesting. A lot of guys are putting a lot of thought into this subject. ~["I wonder if the montgomery rudder would fit ? hmmmmm...]~ Well, thanks again. [hope to] See you on the water . Have a great sailing season. Vicki & Terry ‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹›‹› " Do infants enjoy infancy, as much as adults enjoy adultery"? `Carlin`