Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
I agree that the book numbers on Montys are skewed from private sales...being that small trailer sailboats usually aren't brokered or financed. However, I wrote NADA a couple yrs ago asking for how they get the numbers. Values on NADA are actual selling prices reported by any new or used boat dealer, marina, broker, bank, etc who subscribes to the NADA pub. The only way any boat value in NADA may be 15 yrs old is if none had been sold or reported by a subscriber. NADA also said their free web site values are lower than their subscription pub...don't ask me why because I didn't follow that one up. Also, FreeWilly is entitled to his opinion and I personally didn't get offended at his critique...it's plain boat talk like any other stuff. I don't get why anyone gets uptight or hostile about opinions on Monty quality or values. Bottom line to me is Montys are a cult boat with limited numbers. They spend most of them time on a trailer and it results in low stress, long life and boats that show very well. It drives prices up no matter what the quality. Before anyone blasts me for whatever, I'm a long time Monty owner...since 1975-76 and still own it. I bought 100% for the design and quality was secondary. Construction issues or resale means nothing to me...never has, never will. If it breaks (and it has) I fix it. Monty ownership for me is all about getting a boat design I like. Bill P. (NOT Freewilly) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Exactly... and might i add the wisdom and comraderie of this group is worth the price of admission... I am going sailing Sunday!!!! Yay!!! Jeff Wcpritchett@aol.com wrote: I agree that the book numbers on Montys are skewed from private sales...being that small trailer sailboats usually aren't brokered or financed. However, I wrote NADA a couple yrs ago asking for how they get the numbers. Values on NADA are actual selling prices reported by any new or used boat dealer, marina, broker, bank, etc who subscribes to the NADA pub. The only way any boat value in NADA may be 15 yrs old is if none had been sold or reported by a subscriber. NADA also said their free web site values are lower than their subscription pub...don't ask me why because I didn't follow that one up. Also, FreeWilly is entitled to his opinion and I personally didn't get offended at his critique...it's plain boat talk like any other stuff. I don't get why anyone gets uptight or hostile about opinions on Monty quality or values. Bottom line to me is Montys are a cult boat with limited numbers. They spend most of them time on a trailer and it results in low stress, long life and boats that show very well. It drives prices up no matter what the quality. Before anyone blasts me for whatever, I'm a long time Monty owner...since 1975-76 and still own it. I bought 100% for the design and quality was secondary. Construction issues or resale means nothing to me...never has, never will. If it breaks (and it has) I fix it. Monty ownership for me is all about getting a boat design I like. Bill P. (NOT Freewilly) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
and beside that, who needs TV soaps ?........just read your email !......lol Bill T. M15 - 158 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Royce To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer Exactly... and might i add the wisdom and comraderie of this group is worth the price of admission... I am going sailing Sunday!!!! Yay!!! Jeff Wcpritchett@aol.com wrote: I agree that the book numbers on Montys are skewed from private sales...being that small trailer sailboats usually aren't brokered or financed. However, I wrote NADA a couple yrs ago asking for how they get the numbers. Values on NADA are actual selling prices reported by any new or used boat dealer, marina, broker, bank, etc who subscribes to the NADA pub. The only way any boat value in NADA may be 15 yrs old is if none had been sold or reported by a subscriber. NADA also said their free web site values are lower than their subscription pub...don't ask me why because I didn't follow that one up. Also, FreeWilly is entitled to his opinion and I personally didn't get offended at his critique...it's plain boat talk like any other stuff. I don't get why anyone gets uptight or hostile about opinions on Monty quality or values. Bottom line to me is Montys are a cult boat with limited numbers. They spend most of them time on a trailer and it results in low stress, long life and boats that show very well. It drives prices up no matter what the quality. Before anyone blasts me for whatever, I'm a long time Monty owner...since 1975-76 and still own it. I bought 100% for the design and quality was secondary. Construction issues or resale means nothing to me...never has, never will. If it breaks (and it has) I fix it. Monty ownership for me is all about getting a boat design I like. Bill P. (NOT Freewilly) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
BUC Book, NADA, Kelly, and other "blue book" enterprizes all have a professional site and a consumer site and the values are definently skewed to their market. Let's face it, you're not going to pay a dealer or broker's price to a private seller. The private seller has no overhead or commission worries. A classified ad is inexpensive or free to a private seller. And then what kind of warranty will I expect from a private seller? As is, where is? With this in mind, I don't expect to get top-dollar for my boat, or truck when its time to sell. I will get whatever the fair market value is at the time or a little less--I'm willing to negotiate. How about that trade-in value. I'd rather the salesman just kick me the groin and go on about his day. That's why in a free-market economy we can have private orderly sales. Value paid for value received. When I buy, I negotiate. When I sell, I negotiate. Cheers!> From: Wcpritchett@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:09:00 -0400> To: bobeeg@earthlink.net; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer> > I agree that the book numbers on Montys are skewed from private > sales...being that small trailer sailboats usually aren't brokered or financed. However, > I wrote NADA a couple yrs ago asking for how they get the numbers. Values on > NADA are actual selling prices reported by any new or used boat dealer, > marina, broker, bank, etc who subscribes to the NADA pub. The only way any boat > value in NADA may be 15 yrs old is if none had been sold or reported by a > subscriber. NADA also said their free web site values are lower than their > subscription pub...don't ask me why because I didn't follow that one up. > > Also, FreeWilly is entitled to his opinion and I personally didn't get > offended at his critique...it's plain boat talk like any other stuff. I don't get > why anyone gets uptight or hostile about opinions on Monty quality or values. > Bottom line to me is Montys are a cult boat with limited numbers. They spend > most of them time on a trailer and it results in low stress, long life and > boats that show very well. It drives prices up no matter what the quality. > Before anyone blasts me for whatever, I'm a long time Monty owner...since > 1975-76 and still own it. I bought 100% for the design and quality was secondary. > Construction issues or resale means nothing to me...never has, never will. If > it breaks (and it has) I fix it. Monty ownership for me is all about getting > a boat design I like.> > Bill P. (NOT Freewilly)> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview
buy ---sell,,,,why not just give it a rest ? ----- Original Message ----- From: bill safford To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer BUC Book, NADA, Kelly, and other "blue book" enterprizes all have a professional site and a consumer site and the values are definently skewed to their market. Let's face it, you're not going to pay a dealer or broker's price to a private seller. The private seller has no overhead or commission worries. A classified ad is inexpensive or free to a private seller. And then what kind of warranty will I expect from a private seller? As is, where is? With this in mind, I don't expect to get top-dollar for my boat, or truck when its time to sell. I will get whatever the fair market value is at the time or a little less--I'm willing to negotiate. How about that trade-in value. I'd rather the salesman just kick me the groin and go on about his day. That's why in a free-market economy we can have private orderly sales. Value paid for value received. When I buy, I negotiate. When I sell, I negotiate. Cheers!> From: Wcpritchett@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:09:00 -0400> To: bobeeg@earthlink.net; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer> > I agree that the book numbers on Montys are skewed from private > sales...being that small trailer sailboats usually aren't brokered or financed. However, > I wrote NADA a couple yrs ago asking for how they get the numbers. Values on > NADA are actual selling prices reported by any new or used boat dealer, > marina, broker, bank, etc who subscribes to the NADA pub. The only way any boat > value in NADA may be 15 yrs old is if none had been sold or reported by a > subscriber. NADA also said their free web site values are lower than their > subscription pub...don't ask me why because I didn't follow that one up. > > Also, FreeWilly is entitled to his opinion and I personally didn't get > offended at his critique...it's plain boat talk like any other stuff. I don't get > why anyone gets uptight or hostile about opinions on Monty quality or values. > Bottom line to me is Montys are a cult boat with limited numbers. They spend > most of them time on a trailer and it results in low stress, long life and > boats that show very well. It drives prices up no matter what the quality. > Before anyone blasts me for whatever, I'm a long time Monty owner...since > 1975-76 and still own it. I bought 100% for the design and quality was secondary. > Construction issues or resale means nothing to me...never has, never will. If > it breaks (and it has) I fix it. Monty ownership for me is all about getting > a boat design I like.> > Bill P. (NOT Freewilly)> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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