Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty. After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem. Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away. All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture. https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0 - Cpt. Jazz :)
Great video! Just like being there. Gotta get Lynne L back into the water! I noticed that you have winchers on your jib winches. I found that the smallest ones they made were just a hair too big for my winches, so they slipped. Do you happen to know your winch model number, and what size wincher you have? Thanks, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Ditto for me, I saw those winchers too. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Great video! Just like being there. Gotta get Lynne L back into the water!
I noticed that you have winchers on your jib winches. I found that the smallest ones they made were just a hair too big for my winches, so they slipped. Do you happen to know your winch model number, and what size wincher you have?
Thanks,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
On 3/4/2016 1:02 AM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazz, Thanks for taking me along on your sail. Most enjoyable for a boatless Captain to hear a bow wave again and to see a mainsail that needs a bit of trimming! Your first trip is like your first solo flight; now it just keeps getting better and better. You've stepped the mast; you've done your first ramp launch and retrieval. Now the enjoyment really starts and the heart palpitations are greatly reduced. Ciao, Connie
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Looks like a lot of fun. As for reefing, the clew (aft) reefing line needs to start at the strap eye portside aft on the boom. Typically, it would be attached to the strap eye with a bowline knot. It then runs up through the reef cringle on the leach, then down to the cheek block starboard side aft on the boom, and then forward to the clam cleat you were using for the clew outhaul. The clew outhaul should have its own cleat starboard side aft on the boom, but yours seems to be missing. Replacing that should be at or near the top of the "to do" list. Also, you should have lines (sometimes called buntlines) in both of the reef point cringles on the mainsail to tie off the excess sail. They should be about 2' long and held in place with two simple overhand knots, one on each side of the cringle, so they hang down evenly about 1' on each side. They are mostly for aesthetics and should never be under any tension or they will rip the sail. I can't tell how the foot of your sail is attached to the boom but, if possible, the buntlines should be tied under the sail, not under the boom. They usually are left knotted in the sail even when it is not reefed. The tack (forward) reefing line is not really visible so I can't comment on that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "Montgomery Yahoolist" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 2:02:31 AM Subject: M_Boats: El Nino Rides! Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty. After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem. Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away. All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture. https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0 - Cpt. Jazz :)
Jazzy Great Job thinking I may get a video camera this season to record some of my sails. Have not gotten back to Photobucket yet to try out your instructions on deletion and moving of pics between files. I'll let you know how I make out. it sure seems simple enough for use by Monty sailors to share our files all in one place. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:42 AM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Looks like a lot of fun.
As for reefing, the clew (aft) reefing line needs to start at the strap eye portside aft on the boom. Typically, it would be attached to the strap eye with a bowline knot. It then runs up through the reef cringle on the leach, then down to the cheek block starboard side aft on the boom, and then forward to the clam cleat you were using for the clew outhaul. The clew outhaul should have its own cleat starboard side aft on the boom, but yours seems to be missing. Replacing that should be at or near the top of the "to do" list.
Also, you should have lines (sometimes called buntlines) in both of the reef point cringles on the mainsail to tie off the excess sail. They should be about 2' long and held in place with two simple overhand knots, one on each side of the cringle, so they hang down evenly about 1' on each side. They are mostly for aesthetics and should never be under any tension or they will rip the sail. I can't tell how the foot of your sail is attached to the boom but, if possible, the buntlines should be tied under the sail, not under the boom. They usually are left knotted in the sail even when it is not reefed.
The tack (forward) reefing line is not really visible so I can't comment on that.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "Montgomery Yahoolist" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 2:02:31 AM Subject: M_Boats: El Nino Rides!
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Good show, Captn. You reefed and ended up still IN the boat. Interesting tie off point for your outhaul. There is a nifty picture somewhere around here about rigging your boom for a loose footed or any footed sail which allows you both tackle advantage and a place to cleat off the outhaul. Thanks for taking the trouble to make this film. It was very enjoyable. You are fortunate to be up there. The water does remain fairly navigable almost right up to the shores. Here in South Texas many places are a foot deep only while you are still hundreds of yards off shore. Kudos on getting your boat in so quickly after purchase. Fair winds to you, Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
I would be interested in those pics if you could point me at them Tom. Regarding the reefing, I think I have pretty much what's being described by you guys, but I seem to be missing one key tie off point on the boom. There are two holes right where it would want to go. In hindsight, it should have just run straight down to a little block there on the boom and then forward. It does have the two ties in the sail to bundle and the front appears to hook on a little hook on the boom end. Sound about right? Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 2:49 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good show, Captn. You reefed and ended up still IN the boat. Interesting tie off point for your outhaul. There is a nifty picture somewhere around here about rigging your boom for a loose footed or any footed sail which allows you both tackle advantage and a place to cleat off the outhaul. Thanks for taking the trouble to make this film. It was very enjoyable. You are fortunate to be up there. The water does remain fairly navigable almost right up to the shores. Here in South Texas many places are a foot deep only while you are still hundreds of yards off shore. Kudos on getting your boat in so quickly after purchase. Fair winds to you, Tom B
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Ohhh and the sail goes in a slot in the boom, so I sort of have to tie off around the boom..Am I going to break something like this? The out haul seems to work fine, it's rigged exactly like my Snipe is. Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 3:15 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be interested in those pics if you could point me at them Tom. Regarding the reefing, I think I have pretty much what's being described by you guys, but I seem to be missing one key tie off point on the boom. There are two holes right where it would want to go. In hindsight, it should have just run straight down to a little block there on the boom and then forward. It does have the two ties in the sail to bundle and the front appears to hook on a little hook on the boom end. Sound about right?
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 2:49 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good show, Captn. You reefed and ended up still IN the boat. Interesting tie off point for your outhaul. There is a nifty picture somewhere around here about rigging your boom for a loose footed or any footed sail which allows you both tackle advantage and a place to cleat off the outhaul. Thanks for taking the trouble to make this film. It was very enjoyable. You are fortunate to be up there. The water does remain fairly navigable almost right up to the shores. Here in South Texas many places are a foot deep only while you are still hundreds of yards off shore. Kudos on getting your boat in so quickly after purchase. Fair winds to you, Tom B
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Partly right. The first key to everything is the clew (aft) reefing line starts at the strap-eye on the port side, aft end of the boom, not at the reef cringle. Not sure if you understood that part. The second key to everything is that, regardless of how Snipes are rigged, the clam cleat you used for the outhaul is supposed to be for the reefing line, not the outhaul. Are there two holes on the boom just aft of the cheek block on the starboard side? Originally, there would have been a cleat there and that is where the outhaul would have terminated. There are any number of ways to rig an outhaul but if I was you I would just replace that cleat. All the other holes and hardware on your boom was/is for a shock cord system used instead of regular sail ties to secure the doused sail to the boom. They have nothing to do with the outhaul or with reefing. The reef hook for the tack reef is a nice feature and you are right about how that works. You are also right that if your mainsail is attached to the boom with a boltrope you have no choice but to tie the buntlines under the boom. Just be sure to tie them after you secure the tack and clew when tucking in a reef, and untie them before you release the tack and clew when shaking out a reef. Otherwise you risk ripping the sail. Wish I could join you for a sail and show you this stuff in person. Unfortunately, I'm on the other side of the continent with two more months to go before sailing season starts. -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 6:16 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: El Nino Rides! Ohhh and the sail goes in a slot in the boom, so I sort of have to tie off around the boom..Am I going to break something like this? The out haul seems to work fine, it's rigged exactly like my Snipe is. Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 3:15 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be interested in those pics if you could point me at them Tom. Regarding the reefing, I think I have pretty much what's being described by you guys, but I seem to be missing one key tie off point on the boom. There are two holes right where it would want to go. In hindsight, it should have just run straight down to a little block there on the boom and then forward. It does have the two ties in the sail to bundle and the front appears to hook on a little hook on the boom end. Sound about right?
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 2:49 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Good show, Captn. You reefed and ended up still IN the boat. Interesting tie off point for your outhaul. There is a nifty picture somewhere around here about rigging your boom for a loose footed or any footed sail which allows you both tackle advantage and a place to cleat off the outhaul. Thanks for taking the trouble to make this film. It was very enjoyable. You are fortunate to be up there. The water does remain fairly navigable almost right up to the shores. Here in South Texas many places are a foot deep only while you are still hundreds of yards off shore. Kudos on getting your boat in so quickly after purchase. Fair winds to you, Tom B
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Nice to see, thanks! What is your home port, I forget...somewhere on Puget sound, right? Did you heave to while reefing? Last thing I see in the video is you under way and setting your tiller lock with tiller centered...not a hove-to position...? cheers, John S. On 03/03/2016 11:02 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
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Jazz, The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊 Have fun, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand. I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks! So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure. In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind). The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind. You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable. Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration. I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack. cheers, John S. On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 3/4/2016 8:03 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: Jazz, Heaving-to is also a delightful way to "park" your boat on the ocean and spend some prime time with your spouse, under a clear blue sky in the cockpit. Try it: you'll like it. Connie
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
Never thought about the right-of-way issue. I always heave to on starboard because my main halyard cleat is on the starboard side. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Friday, March 4, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john@eco-living.net');>> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
And there may actually be a connection there...though I'm not sure. But it would certainly make sense reciprocally. If the preferred hove-to tack is starboard, and one needs to do anything with the main (reef or drop or whatever) then it sure is easier with the cleat on that side. Anyone know if this is true, or other reasons why the main halyard is usually on starboard side? Allegedly that's why galleys (and heads) are usually on port side, because then they are on the low (easier to use) side when on starboard tack (including hove-to on starboard tack to go below and fix a snack, etc.). Plus most "regular direction" long crossings or circumnavigations would be on starboard more than port tack, in normal conditions. cheers, John S. On 03/04/2016 06:46 PM, Rick Davies wrote:
Never thought about the right-of-way issue. I always heave to on starboard because my main halyard cleat is on the starboard side.
Rick
M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john@eco-living.net');>> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Gm all, I guess I wasn't very clear. When I reefed, I didn't think to heave to. I just headed upwind. I wasn't thinking that I was heaving to. I did heave to a couple of times for practice throughout the day and it went well. Seemed pretty straight forward. I tacked, left genny alone and then tightened up the tiller tamer to the leeward. Not sure if I loosed the main enough..that's new info for me so thank you. I'll be sure to take note of that next time. Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 7:05 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
And there may actually be a connection there...though I'm not sure. But it would certainly make sense reciprocally. If the preferred hove-to tack is starboard, and one needs to do anything with the main (reef or drop or whatever) then it sure is easier with the cleat on that side. Anyone know if this is true, or other reasons why the main halyard is usually on starboard side?
Allegedly that's why galleys (and heads) are usually on port side, because then they are on the low (easier to use) side when on starboard tack (including hove-to on starboard tack to go below and fix a snack, etc.).
Plus most "regular direction" long crossings or circumnavigations would be on starboard more than port tack, in normal conditions.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 06:46 PM, Rick Davies wrote:
Never thought about the right-of-way issue. I always heave to on starboard because my main halyard cleat is on the starboard side.
Rick
M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john@eco-living.net');>> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding
the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just
pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was
pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it
would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite
dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder
wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
--
John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Very interesting. Reminds me of an article I read once about why right handedness is so much more prevalent than left. Once upon a time before this was decided mothers used to carry their babies on the left side so the child could hear its mother's heart beat better so fussed less. This left only the mother's right hand available to do anything. Nice story. I have seen boats with the galley to starboard though. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
And there may actually be a connection there...though I'm not sure. But it would certainly make sense reciprocally. If the preferred hove-to tack is starboard, and one needs to do anything with the main (reef or drop or whatever) then it sure is easier with the cleat on that side. Anyone know if this is true, or other reasons why the main halyard is usually on starboard side?
Allegedly that's why galleys (and heads) are usually on port side, because then they are on the low (easier to use) side when on starboard tack (including hove-to on starboard tack to go below and fix a snack, etc.).
Plus most "regular direction" long crossings or circumnavigations would be on starboard more than port tack, in normal conditions.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 06:46 PM, Rick Davies wrote:
Never thought about the right-of-way issue. I always heave to on starboard because my main halyard cleat is on the starboard side.
Rick
M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john@eco-living.net');>> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding
the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just
pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was
pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it
would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite
dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder
wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
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- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Never thought about the right-of-way issue. I always heave to on starboard because my main halyard cleat is on the starboard side. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Friday, March 4, 2016, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john@eco-living.net');>> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Nice bit of advice, John, heaving to on the stb tack for more right of way. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:03 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 3/5/2016 5:00 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Heaving to, is a mighty useful tool that should be in every sailors tool kit. Aside from the storm conditions where one might heave-to; there are many other occasions where this is very useful. For example: You are heading from Block Island North Bell to Cuttyhunk - 35 nautical miles away. The sun is shining; it is warm, and you are alone on the ocean. After the first hour passes at the magnificent subsonic cruising speed of 5.8 knots, the Admirable, who is sunbathing on the cockpit cushion might request that you apply some sun cream to her back. Early in our marriage I learned that putting cold goo on the Admirable's sun-warmed back was a major No-No. First, I had been instructed, to squeeze the goo on the palm of my hand and warm it up before applying it to her shoulders and then heading southwards. As a newly wed, the first time I did this, I was told to do it "Langsam, und mit gefuehl" (Slowly, and with feeling) As you start to apply the goo, "slowly, and with feeling" other thoughts begin to form. It is time to heave-to and spend some quality time with the Admirable while providing entertainment for the seagulls flying overhead.. Connie
Nice bit of advice, John, heaving to on the stb tack for more right of way.
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:03 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hahahahahahhahahabahab On Mar 5, 2016 8:00 PM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/5/2016 5:00 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Heaving to, is a mighty useful tool that should be in every sailors tool kit.
Aside from the storm conditions where one might heave-to; there are many other occasions where this is very useful.
For example:
You are heading from Block Island North Bell to Cuttyhunk - 35 nautical miles away.
The sun is shining; it is warm, and you are alone on the ocean.
After the first hour passes at the magnificent subsonic cruising speed of 5.8 knots, the Admirable, who is sunbathing on the cockpit cushion might request that you apply some sun cream to her back.
Early in our marriage I learned that putting cold goo on the Admirable's sun-warmed back was a major No-No. First, I had been instructed, to squeeze the goo on the palm of my hand and warm it up before applying it to her shoulders and then heading southwards.
As a newly wed, the first time I did this, I was told to do it "Langsam, und mit gefuehl" (Slowly, and with feeling)
As you start to apply the goo, "slowly, and with feeling" other thoughts begin to form.
It is time to heave-to and spend some quality time with the Admirable while providing entertainment for the seagulls flying overhead..
Connie
Nice bit of advice, John, heaving to on the stb tack for more right of way.
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:03 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Just to be clear, heaving to is, as someone already posted, back-winding
the jib and then lashing/locking the tiller to leeward. It's more than just heading up into the wind - the boat will not likely stay pointed upwind while you reef, and then there will be some pandemonium, for sure.
In other words, to heave to, you are on a close reach, you come about but do not tack the jib. Leave the jib where it is, which will be sheeted on the windward side once you come about. Also known as back-winded. Then put the tiller hard to leeward and lock/lash it there (and slack the mainsheet, don't want the main sail catching wind).
The combination results in the rudder force countering the jib force, and the boat will end up in a stable position relative to the wind.
You will be making way very slowly and somewhat sideways, but stable.
Then you can reef the main, with sheet slacked and main catching no wind, while in that hove-to configuration.
I was taught early on to heave-to on starboard tack, if possible and if there is any traffic to consider, since that tack has more right-of-way than port tack.
cheers, John S.
On 03/04/2016 05:49 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ahhh I didn't think of that! But I did practice heaving to. I just
pointed it into the wind.. And I think I get the reefing line deal now. I'll go out and look again tomorrow, take some pics and make sure I understand.
I do have that bungee deal on the side of the mast, had no clue what it was for. Could you expand on that just a bit? Thanks!
So glad to have you guys, imagine figuring this out solo??? Oieeeee
Jazz On Mar 4, 2016 5:27 PM, "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz,
The key to a stress-free reef is to heave to with the Genoa backed and the helm strapped to leeward. With a little practice this is pretty easy to do, and when you're hove to the boat will ride nice and easy even in a good blow and you can tie in the reef at your leisure. Or just stay hove to and crack a cold one. 😊
Have fun,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Friday, March 4, 2016, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All!
I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and
I
was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was
pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with
the
link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it
would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor
and
practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite
dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old
school
up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The
bottom
was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder
wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together
really
fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load,
its
a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
--
John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Loved the video, thanks for sharing. It was really fun to get to see another monty sailing and how it was set up and all.
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
No prob! Looking forward to seeing other setups myself, and making another video if I can ever get back out again! Jazz On Mar 14, 2016 6:55 PM, <msog@danf.us> wrote:
Loved the video, thanks for sharing. It was really fun to get to see another monty sailing and how it was set up and all.
Hi All! I took your advice and went sailing! It was looking dark and gloomy and I was ready for weather, but it turned out to be a beautiful day! It was pretty windy for my first time really sailing El Nino, but it was fine. There was water splashing everywhere outside the boat, but hardly a drop hit me. Very dry, very impressive. You'll see how the sail went with the link below. The video doesn't do the wind justice at all. I'd say it would have been right on the edge of what the Snipe could handle single handed. But really not that big a deal on the Monty.
After getting back in, I spent a little time tooling around the harbor and practicing some boat handling. Some one on here told me it was quite dinghy like earlier... I have to agree! No problem.
Also, on the way in, I put the rudder in its up position ( as in old school up, 2 pintles) and started hugging the coast line very slowly. The bottom was RIGHT there, but on I went. Probably 2 ft. The depth finder wasn't registering any depth at all. Would have been easy peasy to hop out and wade to shore. I was like 6-7 feet away.
All in all a cool day. Enjoy the video, I just cobbled it together really fast, so don't expect any short film awards! Give it a minute to load, its a much bigger file than a picture.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/upwvj9py95lzrit/El%20Nino%20Rides.mp4?dl=0
- Cpt. Jazz :)
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