Not for sale, actually have been sailing a bit more this year and really enjoying it. Greg Hann and I have been out and have had some great sails. the old back can handle about 4 hours max so we limit it a bit but it has been great being back on the water Doug if the Pax thing happens in Sept let me know I can make that, have a good trip to and say hi to all the guys Gary Also does anyone know if Craig Honschell (sp) is still sailing his 17 ?