It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
Bill, When this happened to me, I just carefully pulled the boat onto the trailer. The board came upon the trailer roller. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: M_Boats: New Old M-17
It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk.
Do either of these have merit?
The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer.
What do you Montgomerians think?
Thanks,
Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
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In my unfortunate experience, the board won't just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer: Chalk that up to forgetting to raise the board before retrieving, or, rather, attempting to retrieve, the boat. I'd be inclined to jump to the final fix . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: New Old M-17 It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
After being a part of this chat group for over 6 months, I greatly respect your opinion. When you were trying to trailer your boat with the centerboard down, what happened? Will it be obvious to me that it is not going to work or will I break something? Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 07:24 PM, Honshells wrote:
In my unfortunate experience, the board won't just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer: Chalk that up to forgetting to raise the board before retrieving, or, rather, attempting to retrieve, the boat.
I'd be inclined to jump to the final fix . . .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: New Old M-17
It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk.
Do either of these have merit?
The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer.
What do you Montgomerians think?
Thanks,
Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
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After reading others' comments, I'm thinking I should have had greater success putting my boat on her trailer with the board down. One of the problems is that I have an old-style board that I've had covered with fiberglass, and the board kept missing the rollers and coming in contact with the trailer proper, which damaged the 'glass: That shouldn't be a problem with a plain iron board. Also, the board got wedged between the roller and roller mount, which was a sticky problem. The ramp I was using was very level, and may not have provided an "angle of attack" that could have guided the board onto the roller only. I have keel guides and still had a serious problem that was only remedied by winching up the board. However, again, reading other postings, I'm beginning to think the problem may have been my ramp-angle . . . I think, with a plain iron board, you would know right away that the experiment wasn't going to work, without causing any damage to the board or boat. I can't speak for the trailer paint. :-) p.s. I really like "Montgomerians" . . . :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: New Old M-17 After being a part of this chat group for over 6 months, I greatly respect your opinion. When you were trying to trailer your boat with the centerboard down, what happened? Will it be obvious to me that it is not going to work or will I break something? Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 07:24 PM, Honshells wrote: In my unfortunate experience, the board won't just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer: Chalk that up to forgetting to raise the board before retrieving, or, rather, attempting to retrieve, the boat. I'd be inclined to jump to the final fix . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: New Old M-17 It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
I will give it a try and let you know what happens. I think I will get my grown kids and a couple of friends to come along and make sure the boat is centered on the trailer. I might even be able to convince one of my young son-in-laws to go down and make sure we are on the roller. Thanks for the encouragement and advice. Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 08:08 PM, Honshells wrote:
After reading others' comments, I'm thinking I should have had greater success putting my boat on her trailer with the board down. One of the problems is that I have an old-style board that I've had covered with fiberglass, and the board kept missing the rollers and coming in contact with the trailer proper, which damaged the 'glass: That shouldn't be a problem with a plain iron board. Also, the board got wedged between the roller and roller mount, which was a sticky problem. The ramp I was using was very level, and may not have provided an "angle of attack" that could have guided the board onto the roller only. I have keel guides and still had a serious problem that was only remedied by winching up the board. However, again, reading other postings, I'm beginning to think the problem may have been my ramp-angle . . . I think, with a plain iron board, you would know right away that the experiment wasn't going to work, without causing any damage to the board or boat. I can't speak for the trailer paint. :-)
p.s. I really like "Montgomerians" . . . :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: New Old M-17
After being a part of this chat group for over 6 months, I greatly respect your opinion. When you were trying to trailer your boat with the centerboard down, what happened? Will it be obvious to me that it is not going to work or will I break something?
Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 07:24 PM, Honshells wrote:
In my unfortunate experience, the board won't just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer: Chalk that up to forgetting to raise the board before retrieving, or, rather, attempting to retrieve, the boat.
I'd be inclined to jump to the final fix . . .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: New Old M-17
It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk.
Do either of these have merit?
The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer.
What do you Montgomerians think?
Thanks,
Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
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The centering help may go a long way toward ensuring success . . . I'll look forward to future posts on your restoration project! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: New Old M-17 I will give it a try and let you know what happens. I think I will get my grown kids and a couple of friends to come along and make sure the boat is centered on the trailer. I might even be able to convince one of my young son-in-laws to go down and make sure we are on the roller. Thanks for the encouragement and advice. Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 08:08 PM, Honshells wrote: After reading others' comments, I'm thinking I should have had greater success putting my boat on her trailer with the board down. One of the problems is that I have an old-style board that I've had covered with fiberglass, and the board kept missing the rollers and coming in contact with the trailer proper, which damaged the 'glass: That shouldn't be a problem with a plain iron board. Also, the board got wedged between the roller and roller mount, which was a sticky problem. The ramp I was using was very level, and may not have provided an "angle of attack" that could have guided the board onto the roller only. I have keel guides and still had a serious problem that was only remedied by winching up the board. However, again, reading other postings, I'm beginning to think the problem may have been my ramp-angle . . . I think, with a plain iron board, you would know right away that the experiment wasn't going to work, without causing any damage to the board or boat. I can't speak for the trailer paint. :-) p.s. I really like "Montgomerians" . . . :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: New Old M-17 After being a part of this chat group for over 6 months, I greatly respect your opinion. When you were trying to trailer your boat with the centerboard down, what happened? Will it be obvious to me that it is not going to work or will I break something? Bill On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 07:24 PM, Honshells wrote: In my unfortunate experience, the board won't just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer: Chalk that up to forgetting to raise the board before retrieving, or, rather, attempting to retrieve, the boat. I'd be inclined to jump to the final fix . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: New Old M-17 It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig
Finally have "Endelig" (M-17 #279) in my driveway. The restoration has started. My first task after cleaning all of the "stuff" out of the boat was to clean the cushions of the Master Suite. I noticed that the walls of the sleeping area are separated from the hull. Reaching under the bed, I found the wall sealed from underneath. What is in there? Floatation, air, treasure? How much space is there between the inner wall and the hull? I have a lot to learn and a lot of curiosity about my new old boat. Thanks, Bill
Did you get it on the trailer with the lowered centerboard okay, Bill? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: New Old M-17 Finally have "Endelig" (M-17 #279) in my driveway. The restoration has started. My first task after cleaning all of the "stuff" out of the boat was to clean the cushions of the Master Suite. I noticed that the walls of the sleeping area are separated from the hull. Reaching under the bed, I found the wall sealed from underneath. What is in there? Floatation, air, treasure? How much space is there between the inner wall and the hull? I have a lot to learn and a lot of curiosity about my new old boat. Thanks, Bill
I had a diver clean the bottom and he really worked at freeing up the centerboard. He said it was rusted in solid for about three inches into the trunk. He was able to clean most of the rust out and told me he could move it a bit side to side. She came up on the trailer with no complaints. You Montgomerians were right. Thanks On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:31 PM, Honshells wrote:
Did you get it on the trailer with the lowered centerboard okay, Bill?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: New Old M-17
Finally have "Endelig" (M-17 #279) in my driveway. The restoration has started. My first task after cleaning all of the "stuff" out of the boat was to clean the cushions of the Master Suite. I noticed that the walls of the sleeping area are separated from the hull. Reaching under the bed, I found the wall sealed from underneath. What is in there? Floatation, air, treasure? How much space is there between the inner wall and the hull?
I have a lot to learn and a lot of curiosity about my new old boat.
Thanks,
Bill
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Excellent! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:39 PM Subject: New Old M-17 I had a diver clean the bottom and he really worked at freeing up the centerboard. He said it was rusted in solid for about three inches into the trunk. He was able to clean most of the rust out and told me he could move it a bit side to side. She came up on the trailer with no complaints. You Montgomerians were right. Thanks On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:31 PM, Honshells wrote: Did you get it on the trailer with the lowered centerboard okay, Bill? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: New Old M-17 Finally have "Endelig" (M-17 #279) in my driveway. The restoration has started. My first task after cleaning all of the "stuff" out of the boat was to clean the cushions of the Master Suite. I noticed that the walls of the sleeping area are separated from the hull. Reaching under the bed, I found the wall sealed from underneath. What is in there? Floatation, air, treasure? How much space is there between the inner wall and the hull? I have a lot to learn and a lot of curiosity about my new old boat. Thanks, Bill
I loaded my M17 once after I forgot to raise the centerboard. The only problem was all the line was jammed around the board (took a little persuasion to lower the board next time if I remember correctly). If your pendant is completely out of the trunk that should be no problem. Just remember that the board will drop as you remove the boat from the trailer to replace the pendant. I had no problem launching the boat after my brain freeze. Maybe the M15 trailer is set up differently but there is nothing on my trailer to impede launching even if the board drops as the boat slides off the trailer. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 Grace -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sylvester Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:20 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: New Old M-17 It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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