Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat. Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too!
Connie
John, I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of the mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights from the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit at night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. Nothing like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. Not to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle for a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. I can tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or completely hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb.
Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) and 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it) would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I think...I'll check when I get a battery in her.
Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the mast. I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and through the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will need to - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night vision.
The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, so I'm leaning towards that..
cheers, John S.
On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion on stern lights.....
In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all round white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow.
So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under power my lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted nav lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern light at cockpit level.
Is anyone else using this configuration??
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when > adding wiring for an auto helm. > > Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style light installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it drops down to the transom. But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted quite steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light astern (problematic, for a stern light!).
Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like rudders) included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood wedge under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon.
For those who have something like that for their stern light - was it something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off?
I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's something ready-made or I'll need to make it.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat.
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Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too!
Connie
John, I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of the mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights from the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit at night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. Nothing like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. Not to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle for a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. I can tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or completely hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb.
Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) and 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it) would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I think...I'll check when I get a battery in her.
Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the mast. I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and through the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will need to - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night vision.
The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, so I'm leaning towards that..
cheers, John S.
On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion on stern lights.....
In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all round white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow.
So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under power my lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted nav lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern light at cockpit level.
Is anyone else using this configuration??
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >> adding wiring for an auto helm. >> >> > Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style light > installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it drops > down to the transom. > But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted quite > steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light astern > (problematic, for a stern light!). > > Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like rudders) > included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood wedge > under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. > > For those who have something like that for their stern light - was it > something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off? > > I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's something > ready-made or I'll need to make it. > > thanks, > John S. > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, More magic moments. It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch Hill, RI. I spotted some gulls standing on something. As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water? As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were heading east. When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the neck area of of the turtles. Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was another nautical adventure. Ciao, Connie
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat.
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone
Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too!
Connie
John, I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of the mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights from the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit at night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. Nothing like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. Not to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle for a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. I can tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or completely hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb.
Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) and 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it) would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I think...I'll check when I get a battery in her.
Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the mast. I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and through the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will need to - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night vision.
The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, so I'm leaning towards that..
cheers, John S.
On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting discussion on stern lights..... > In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all round > white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. > > So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under power > my > lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted nav > lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern light at > cockpit level. > > Is anyone else using this configuration?? > > > > *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* > > *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* > > > > On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> > wrote: > > On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>> >>> >> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style light >> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it drops >> down to the transom. >> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted quite >> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light astern >> (problematic, for a stern light!). >> >> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like rudders) >> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood wedge >> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. >> >> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was it >> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off? >> >> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's something >> ready-made or I'll need to make it. >> >> thanks, >> John S. >> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Connie, Six feet long!. What a sight. Ha, just love "mother nature". Everything is so intertwined. Seagulls picking the parasites off a turtle's neck. Earth heats unevenly, so we have winds. Someone decides to let that wind push him around. Sailboats with people on them, watching a turtle getting himself groomed. We adapt to what is as well as the animals. Wonder where they go from here. Don't remember if you are "on the hard" these days. If not, have you got a "todo" list for your Monty? Fair memories, Tom B On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom,
More magic moments.
It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch Hill, RI.
I spotted some gulls standing on something.
As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water?
As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were heading east.
When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the neck area of of the turtles.
Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was another nautical adventure.
Ciao,
Connie
Wow, talk about "magic moments"!
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter
it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat.
Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone
Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too!
Connie
John, I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of
the
mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights
from
the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern
light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit at night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats.
Nothing
like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves.
Not
to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really
beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>
wrote:
The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180
degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle
for
a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow.
I can
tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight
across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or
completely
hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb.
Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit)
and
135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it)
would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I
think...I'll
check when I get a battery in her.
Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the mast. I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and
through
the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will
need to
- for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an
all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night vision.
The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, so I'm leaning towards that..
cheers, John S.
On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and > preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush > mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a > virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < > keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: > > Interesting discussion on stern lights..... > >> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all >> round >> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. >> >> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under >> > power
my
>> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted >> > nav
lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern
>> > light at
cockpit level.
>> >> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >> >> >> >> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >> >> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >> >> >> >> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> >> wrote: >> >> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>> >>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>> >>>> >>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style >>> >> light
installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it
>>> >> drops
down to the transom.
>>> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted >>> quite >>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light >>> astern >>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>> >>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like >>> >> rudders)
included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood
>>> >> wedge
under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon.
>>> >>> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was >>> >> it
something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off?
>>> >>> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's >>> >> something
ready-made or I'll need to make it.
>>> >>> thanks, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 2/7/2016 3:25 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Good Morning Tom, Sorry to say I'm out of the boat business. Old age and all that stuff. It's been a fascinating eye-opening experience sailing in Sweden / Denmark / Germany / Holland / Belgium / France / Italy / Yugoslavia / New England coast / and with my trailerable M-15, Florida Keys / Clearwater / Chesapeake / Lake Champlain / Moosehead Lake, ME. Lots of miles; lots of anchoring; and then the nodding acquaintances with sea creatures / birds / the occasional shark sunning themselves at the surface / porpoises / and of course a great friendship over the years with Poseidon ( He stole one of my beers out of a closed mesh bag down at 100 feet in the Adriatic). Problems that occur while sailing require a solution - NOW - so you get to stick your nose in all sorts of hardware and marine stores, and use a sketch to show the Italians or Yugoslavians what you need (blocks of ice, for example; or Visegrip pliers to make a repair); it's the old problem the hardware store has it if you have the correct name of the item you need; the solution to that problem is a sketch. Or having a dinner on a tiny Yugoslavian Island at the village(?) square, where the housewife had to raid her storage for three pork chops. While we waited for dinner to be cooked a group of men played guitars, singing their gentle folk songs in four part harmony in the square. Magical! Of course sailing introduces you to goodies such as: aquavit; schnapps / Bokma - gin / slivovitz / not to forget Pivo (beer); and Italian Gelato; and the joy of Duty Free when you enter the country and can consume it on board. That's why bigger boats have a built-in wine cellar, and space to store a case or two of Heineken beer. It was a rough life but someone has to do to keep the stories fresh. Ciao, Connie Connie, Six feet long!. What a sight. Ha, just love "mother nature". Everything is so intertwined. Seagulls picking the parasites off a turtle's neck. Earth heats unevenly, so we have winds. Someone decides to let that wind push him around. Sailboats with people on them, watching a turtle getting himself groomed. We adapt to what is as well as the animals. Wonder where they go from here. Don't remember if you are "on the hard" these days. If not, have you got a "todo" list for your Monty? Fair memories, Tom B On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> Tom, >> >> More magic moments. >> >> It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was >> like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch >> Hill, RI. >> >> I spotted some gulls standing on something. >> >> As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; >> what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water? >> >> As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant >> leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit >> closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were >> heading east. >> >> When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up >> a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them >> and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the >> neck area of of the turtles. >> >> Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was >> another nautical adventure. >> >> Ciao, >> >> Connie >> >> >> Wow, talk about "magic moments"! >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter >>>> it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them >>>> light up when a seal swims around the boat. >>>> >>>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone >>>> >>>> Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>> Tom, >>>>> >>>>> Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush >>>>> the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too! >>>>> >>>>> Connie >>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern >>>>>> light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of >>>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights >>>>> from >>>>> the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern >>>>>> light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit >>>>>> at >>>>>> night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. >>>>>> >>>>> Nothing >>>>> like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. >>>>> Not >>>>> to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really >>>>>> beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. >>>>>> fair winds, >>>>>> Tom B >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>>>>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 >>>>>>> degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle >>>>>>> >>>>>> for >>>>> a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. >>>>>> I can >>>>> tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight >>>>>>> across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or >>>>>>> >>>>>> completely >>>>> hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb. >>>>>>> Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) >>>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>> 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it) >>>>>>> would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I >>>>>>> >>>>>> think...I'll >>>>> check when I get a battery in her. >>>>>>> Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the >>>>>>> mast. >>>>>>> I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and >>>>>>> >>>>>> through >>>>> the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will >>>>>> need to >>>>> - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an >>>>>>> all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night >>>>>>> vision. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> I'm leaning towards that.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> John S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and >>>>>>>> preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush >>>>>>>> mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. >>>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>>>>>>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>>>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>>>>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < >>>>>>>> keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting discussion on stern lights..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all >>>>>>>>> round >>>>>>>>> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> power >>>>> my >>>>>>>>> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nav >>>>> lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern >>>>>>>> light at >>>>> cockpit level. >>>>>>>>> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style >>>>>>>>> light >>>>> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it >>>>>>>>> drops >>>>> down to the transom. >>>>>>>>>> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted >>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light >>>>>>>>>> astern >>>>>>>>>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rudders) >>>>> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood >>>>>>>>> wedge >>>>> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. >>>>>>>>>> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it >>>>> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off? >>>>>>>>>> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> something >>>>> ready-made or I'll need to make it. >>>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>>> John S. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>>>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
Thank you for volunteering, Connie, to do all that story grabbing. It must have been a tough job but somebody had to do it. On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2016 3:25 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good Morning Tom,
Sorry to say I'm out of the boat business. Old age and all that stuff.
It's been a fascinating eye-opening experience sailing in Sweden / Denmark / Germany / Holland / Belgium / France / Italy / Yugoslavia / New England coast / and with my trailerable M-15, Florida Keys / Clearwater / Chesapeake / Lake Champlain / Moosehead Lake, ME. Lots of miles; lots of anchoring; and then the nodding acquaintances with sea creatures / birds / the occasional shark sunning themselves at the surface / porpoises / and of course a great friendship over the years with Poseidon ( He stole one of my beers out of a closed mesh bag down at 100 feet in the Adriatic).
Problems that occur while sailing require a solution - NOW - so you get to stick your nose in all sorts of hardware and marine stores, and use a sketch to show the Italians or Yugoslavians what you need (blocks of ice, for example; or Visegrip pliers to make a repair); it's the old problem the hardware store has it if you have the correct name of the item you need; the solution to that problem is a sketch.
Or having a dinner on a tiny Yugoslavian Island at the village(?) square, where the housewife had to raid her storage for three pork chops. While we waited for dinner to be cooked a group of men played guitars, singing their gentle folk songs in four part harmony in the square. Magical!
Of course sailing introduces you to goodies such as: aquavit; schnapps / Bokma - gin / slivovitz / not to forget Pivo (beer); and Italian Gelato; and the joy of Duty Free when you enter the country and can consume it on board. That's why bigger boats have a built-in wine cellar, and space to store a case or two of Heineken beer.
It was a rough life but someone has to do to keep the stories fresh.
Ciao,
Connie
Connie, Six feet long!. What a sight. Ha, just love "mother nature". Everything is so intertwined. Seagulls picking the parasites off a turtle's neck. Earth heats unevenly, so we have winds. Someone decides to let that wind push him around. Sailboats with people on them, watching a turtle getting himself groomed. We adapt to what is as well as the animals. Wonder where they go from here. Don't remember if you are "on the hard" these days. If not, have you got a "todo" list for your Monty? Fair memories, Tom B On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
More magic moments.
It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch Hill, RI.
I spotted some gulls standing on something.
As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water?
As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were heading east.
When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the neck area of of the turtles.
Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was another nautical adventure.
Ciao,
Connie
Wow, talk about "magic moments"!
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter
it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat.
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Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too!
Connie
John, > I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 > stern > light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of > > the mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights from the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern
> light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit > at > night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. > > Nothing like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. Not to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really
> beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. > fair winds, > Tom B > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a > virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net > > > > wrote: The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180
> degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible >> angle >> >> for > a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow.
> I can > tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight
> across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or >> >> completely > hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb.
> Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) >> >> and > 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it)
> would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I >> >> think...I'll > check when I get a battery in her.
> Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the >> mast. >> I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and >> >> through > the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will
> need to > - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an
> all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night >> vision. >> >> The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, >> so >> I'm leaning towards that.. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >> Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and >> >>> preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light >>> flush >>> mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the >>> cockpit. >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < >>> keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Interesting discussion on stern lights..... >>> >>> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all >>>> round >>>> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. >>>> >>>> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under >>>> >>>> power >>> >> my
> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted >>>> >>>> nav >>> >> lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern
> light at >>> >> cockpit level.
> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >>>> >>>> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>> >>>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>>>> >>>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome >>>>>> style >>>>>> >>>>> light >>>> >>> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it
> drops >>>> >>> down to the transom.
> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted >>>>> quite >>>>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light >>>>> astern >>>>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>>>> >>>>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like >>>>> >>>>> rudders) >>>> >>> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood
> wedge >>>> >>> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon.
> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was >>>>> >>>>> it >>>> >>> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off?
> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's >>>>> >>>>> something >>>> >>> ready-made or I'll need to make it.
> thanks, >>>>> John S. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >>
On 2/8/2016 6:38 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, You're right, but do you have any idea of how often I had to change my underwear when, due to my own stupidity I misread a French Tide Table, and found that instead of going up the Seine in daylight, I now had to go up the Seine at night? The lock at the end of the canal from the port of Le Havre to the Seine dropped us (several barges and us in our 25 foot diesel powered Norwegian powerboat) into the Seine, at 7:30 with the incoming tide, as it got really, really dark; no moon. There we were, with our "toy" boat, surrounded by an armada of large incoming ocean freighters; many barges; and a pusher tug pushing a double width of 6 barges upstream. With the incoming 25 - 27 foot tide coming from the English Channel you were being propelled upstream at 4 knots by the tide; our boat speed through the water was another 5 knots, so total speed over ground was 9 knots - our destination was Rouen, a French ocean port. For the first half to three quarters of an hour, I would gladly have picked up our toy boat under my arm and climbed a Seine bank to get away from the "BIG BOYS", but there I was...., hugging the right shore and trying to stay out of their way, among a bewildering number of moving and stationary white lights, ahead of us and a bunch of red and green lights behind us. Initially it was a totally harrowing experience; but after the first hour, your abject fear slowly subsides and you slowly began to get used to it. I could follow the stern lights of the boats ahead of me, who all were going faster than we were; and finally we were alone on the dark river; tail-end-Charlie, the last one still heading upstream on that tide, on a very dark night, and the only lights that could be seen were from the villages on either bank of the Seine. Finally ,..... there was a glow in the sky ahead of us - Rouen's city lights. We reached our destination; the Rouen Yacht Club ferry boat, that was their Club House. We tied up there for the night at 1:30 AM. Another adventure successfully concluded. Connie
Thank you for volunteering, Connie, to do all that story grabbing. It must have been a tough job but somebody had to do it.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2016 3:25 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good Morning Tom,
Sorry to say I'm out of the boat business. Old age and all that stuff.
It's been a fascinating eye-opening experience sailing in Sweden / Denmark / Germany / Holland / Belgium / France / Italy / Yugoslavia / New England coast / and with my trailerable M-15, Florida Keys / Clearwater / Chesapeake / Lake Champlain / Moosehead Lake, ME. Lots of miles; lots of anchoring; and then the nodding acquaintances with sea creatures / birds / the occasional shark sunning themselves at the surface / porpoises / and of course a great friendship over the years with Poseidon ( He stole one of my beers out of a closed mesh bag down at 100 feet in the Adriatic).
Problems that occur while sailing require a solution - NOW - so you get to stick your nose in all sorts of hardware and marine stores, and use a sketch to show the Italians or Yugoslavians what you need (blocks of ice, for example; or Visegrip pliers to make a repair); it's the old problem the hardware store has it if you have the correct name of the item you need; the solution to that problem is a sketch.
Or having a dinner on a tiny Yugoslavian Island at the village(?) square, where the housewife had to raid her storage for three pork chops. While we waited for dinner to be cooked a group of men played guitars, singing their gentle folk songs in four part harmony in the square. Magical!
Of course sailing introduces you to goodies such as: aquavit; schnapps / Bokma - gin / slivovitz / not to forget Pivo (beer); and Italian Gelato; and the joy of Duty Free when you enter the country and can consume it on board. That's why bigger boats have a built-in wine cellar, and space to store a case or two of Heineken beer.
It was a rough life but someone has to do to keep the stories fresh.
Ciao,
Connie
Connie, Six feet long!. What a sight. Ha, just love "mother nature". Everything is so intertwined. Seagulls picking the parasites off a turtle's neck. Earth heats unevenly, so we have winds. Someone decides to let that wind push him around. Sailboats with people on them, watching a turtle getting himself groomed. We adapt to what is as well as the animals. Wonder where they go from here. Don't remember if you are "on the hard" these days. If not, have you got a "todo" list for your Monty? Fair memories, Tom B On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
More magic moments.
It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch Hill, RI.
I spotted some gulls standing on something.
As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water?
As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were heading east.
When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the neck area of of the turtles.
Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was another nautical adventure.
Ciao,
Connie
Wow, talk about "magic moments"!
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter
it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat.
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Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
> Tom, > > Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush > the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too! > > Connie > > John, >> I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 >> stern >> light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of >> >> the > mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights > from > the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the > stern > >> light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit >> at >> night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. >> >> Nothing > like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the > waves. > Not > to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really > >> beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. >> fair winds, >> Tom B >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net >> wrote: > The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 > >> degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible >>> angle >>> >>> for > a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. > >> I can >> > tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight > >> across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or >>> completely > hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb. > >> Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) >>> and > 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of > it) > >> would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I >>> think...I'll > check when I get a battery in her. > >> Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the >>> mast. >>> I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and >>> >>> through > the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will > >> need to >> > - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an > >> all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night >>> vision. >>> >>> The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, >>> so >>> I'm leaning towards that.. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>> >>> Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and >>> >>>> preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light >>>> flush >>>> mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the >>>> cockpit. >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < >>>> keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting discussion on stern lights..... >>>> >>>> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all >>>>> round >>>>> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. >>>>> >>>>> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under >>>>> >>>>> power >>> my >> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted >>>>> nav >>> lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern >> light at >>> cockpit level. >> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >>>>> >>>>> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>>>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome >>>>>>> style >>>>>>> >>>>>> light >>>> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it >> drops >>>> down to the transom. >> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted >>>>>> quite >>>>>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light >>>>>> astern >>>>>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like >>>>>> >>>>>> rudders) >>>> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood >> wedge >>>> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. >> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was >>>>>> it >>>> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off? >> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's >>>>>> something >>>> ready-made or I'll need to make it. >> thanks, >>>>>> John S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >>> >>>
Connie, What's that old saying, "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Night sailing can be disorienting. Does Europe have the same rules of the road as the US? In my early days of sailing something bigger than a kayak I had my first Monty 17 about 1982 and about midnight on a moonless night I was looking for a harbor entrance which was delineated by a couple of rock breakwaters. They ran out from shore about a quarter mile. I thought I was approaching the entrance properly, was wondering where the red and green channel lights were though. That should have been a clue. Anyway I was just about up to what I took to be a couple of nav. lights when suddenly one of those rock jetties was about a hundred yards right off my bows. Surprise! Knew instantly I had been sailing parallel to the shore instead of perpendicular. Turned away from the "nav. lights" never did figure out what they were, and sailed out for a bit when finally the real nav. lights finally appeared along with the channel entrance. Have not done that particular thing since. Haven't had to sail into a palm tree more than once either. Or dismast myself again. Oh well, little boats, little mistakes. Big boats massive blunders. Tom On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/8/2016 6:38 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
You're right, but do you have any idea of how often I had to change my underwear when, due to my own stupidity I misread a French Tide Table, and found that instead of going up the Seine in daylight, I now had to go up the Seine at night?
The lock at the end of the canal from the port of Le Havre to the Seine dropped us (several barges and us in our 25 foot diesel powered Norwegian powerboat) into the Seine, at 7:30 with the incoming tide, as it got really, really dark; no moon.
There we were, with our "toy" boat, surrounded by an armada of large incoming ocean freighters; many barges; and a pusher tug pushing a double width of 6 barges upstream.
With the incoming 25 - 27 foot tide coming from the English Channel you were being propelled upstream at 4 knots by the tide; our boat speed through the water was another 5 knots, so total speed over ground was 9 knots - our destination was Rouen, a French ocean port.
For the first half to three quarters of an hour, I would gladly have picked up our toy boat under my arm and climbed a Seine bank to get away from the "BIG BOYS", but there I was...., hugging the right shore and trying to stay out of their way, among a bewildering number of moving and stationary white lights, ahead of us and a bunch of red and green lights behind us.
Initially it was a totally harrowing experience; but after the first hour, your abject fear slowly subsides and you slowly began to get used to it. I could follow the stern lights of the boats ahead of me, who all were going faster than we were; and finally we were alone on the dark river; tail-end-Charlie, the last one still heading upstream on that tide, on a very dark night, and the only lights that could be seen were from the villages on either bank of the Seine.
Finally ,..... there was a glow in the sky ahead of us - Rouen's city lights. We reached our destination; the Rouen Yacht Club ferry boat, that was their Club House.
We tied up there for the night at 1:30 AM.
Another adventure successfully concluded.
Connie
Thank you for volunteering, Connie, to do all that story grabbing. It must
have been a tough job but somebody had to do it.
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2016 3:25 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Good Morning Tom,
Sorry to say I'm out of the boat business. Old age and all that stuff.
It's been a fascinating eye-opening experience sailing in Sweden / Denmark / Germany / Holland / Belgium / France / Italy / Yugoslavia / New England coast / and with my trailerable M-15, Florida Keys / Clearwater / Chesapeake / Lake Champlain / Moosehead Lake, ME. Lots of miles; lots of anchoring; and then the nodding acquaintances with sea creatures / birds / the occasional shark sunning themselves at the surface / porpoises / and of course a great friendship over the years with Poseidon ( He stole one of my beers out of a closed mesh bag down at 100 feet in the Adriatic).
Problems that occur while sailing require a solution - NOW - so you get to stick your nose in all sorts of hardware and marine stores, and use a sketch to show the Italians or Yugoslavians what you need (blocks of ice, for example; or Visegrip pliers to make a repair); it's the old problem the hardware store has it if you have the correct name of the item you need; the solution to that problem is a sketch.
Or having a dinner on a tiny Yugoslavian Island at the village(?) square, where the housewife had to raid her storage for three pork chops. While we waited for dinner to be cooked a group of men played guitars, singing their gentle folk songs in four part harmony in the square. Magical!
Of course sailing introduces you to goodies such as: aquavit; schnapps / Bokma - gin / slivovitz / not to forget Pivo (beer); and Italian Gelato; and the joy of Duty Free when you enter the country and can consume it on board. That's why bigger boats have a built-in wine cellar, and space to store a case or two of Heineken beer.
It was a rough life but someone has to do to keep the stories fresh.
Ciao,
Connie
Connie, Six feet long!. What a sight. Ha, just love "mother nature". Everything is so intertwined. Seagulls picking the parasites off a turtle's neck. Earth heats unevenly, so we have winds. Someone decides to let that wind push him around. Sailboats with people on them, watching a turtle getting himself groomed. We adapt to what is as well as the animals. Wonder where they go from here. Don't remember if you are "on the hard" these days. If not, have you got a "todo" list for your Monty? Fair memories, Tom B On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/6/2016 8:44 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
More magic moments.
It was a Sunday mid-afternoon in August; flat calm; Block Island Sound was like a mirror; and we were under trusty mechanical wind heading for Watch Hill, RI.
I spotted some gulls standing on something.
As we got closer it had ridges, and looked like a truck tire. My thought; what idiot dumped a truck tire of that size in the water?
As we got closer, I saw that it wasn't a truck tire, but was a giant leather-back turtle. I shut off the engine and noiselessly got a bit closer. Then we saw a second and a third leather-back turtle. They were heading east.
When I was about 20 feet away from the first one it dove; and came back up a bit further away. We hovered there for quite awhile watching them and noting that the gulls were apparently picking off parasites around the neck area of of the turtles.
Watching turtles that were about 6 feet long at that close range was another nautical adventure.
Ciao,
Connie
Wow, talk about "magic moments"!
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com > wrote:
Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter
it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see > them > light up when a seal swims around the boat. > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone > > Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > Tom, >> >> Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you >> flush >> the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too! >> >> Connie >> >> John, >> >>> I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 >>> stern >>> light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top >>> of >>> >>> the >>> >> mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. >> lights >> from >> the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the >> stern >> >> light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the >>> cockpit >>> at >>> night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. >>> >>> Nothing >>> >> like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the >> waves. >> Not >> to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. >> Really >> >> beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. >>> fair winds, >>> Tom B >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer < >>> john@eco-living.net >>> wrote: >>> >> The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 >> >> degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible >>> >>>> angle >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>> a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 >> anyhow. >> >> I can >>> >>> tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I >> sight >> >> across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or >>> >>>> completely >>>> >>> hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb. >> >> Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) >>> >>>> and >>>> >>> 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of >> it) >> >> would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I >>> >>>> think...I'll >>>> >>> check when I get a battery in her. >> >> Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the >>> >>>> mast. >>>> I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and >>>> >>>> through >>>> >>> the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will >> >> need to >>> >>> - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have >> an >> >> all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with >>> night >>> >>>> vision. >>>> >>>> The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor >>>> light, >>>> so >>>> I'm leaning towards that.. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> John S. >>>> >>>> On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>> >>>> Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light >>>> and >>>> >>>> preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light >>>>> flush >>>>> mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the >>>>> cockpit. >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from >>>>> a >>>>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < >>>>> keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Interesting discussion on stern lights..... >>>>> >>>>> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all >>>>> >>>>>> round >>>>>> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the >>>>>> Bow. >>>>>> >>>>>> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when >>>>>> under >>>>>> >>>>>> power >>>>>> >>>>> my >>>> >>> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side >>> mounted >>> >>>> nav >>>>>> >>>>> lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern >>>> >>> light at >>> >>>> cockpit level. >>>> >>> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer < >>>>>> john@eco-living.net >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or >>>>>> when >>>>>> >>>>>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome >>>>>>>> style >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> light >>>>>>> >>>>>> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where >>>>> it >>>>> >>>> drops >>> >>>> down to the transom. >>>>> >>>> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted >>> >>>> quite >>>>>>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light >>>>>>> astern >>>>>>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rudders) >>>>>>> >>>>>> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice >>>>> wood >>>>> >>>> wedge >>> >>>> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. >>>>> >>>> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was >>> >>>> it >>>>>>> >>>>>> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, >>>>> one-off? >>>>> >>>> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's >>> >>>> something >>>>>>> >>>>>> ready-made or I'll need to make it. >>>>> >>>> thanks, >>> >>>> John S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> - Eco-Living - >>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>> http://eco-living.net >>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
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