New subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13

26 Aug 2007

      I also brought a M15 (1987) and have notice the luff in my main sail.  Please forgive me if
  my language is incorrect.  I am a beginner with very limited knowledge.  If you get a picture
  of how the sail should look please contact me and let me know.  

  Also, I have enjoyed the tales of "first trial runs".  My first experience was pretty much like
  the other nightmare stories.  My biggest problem is getting off the dock with my little 2 hp
  Honda engine.  I have trouble getting her started, meantime the current takes over and I begin bouncing off things.  At least I keep the dock hands laughing, I would not trailer her because I'm even worst at that.

  Bonnie

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: New M17 owner, hi! (Joe Moore)
2. Seafoaming at the mouth! (Jeff Royce)
3. Re: Seafoaming at the mouth! (Sandyal55@aol.com)
4. RE: Seafoaming at the mouth! (Fran Lebowitz)
5. Re: Seafoaming at the mouth! (William Larson)
6. RE: Seafoaming at the mouth! (htmills@zoominternet.net)
7. Re: My "new" used M 15 (Grace Coville)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:26:21 -0400
From: Joe Moore 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M17 owner, hi!
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Rick,

Welcome aboard!

Joe Moore
"Midnight Passage"
M15 #641

On 8/24/07 10:52 AM, "Richard Everett" wrote:
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Hello everyone!
My wife, Debora, and I (Rick) have just purchased a 2005 M17 from a very nice
fellow down in southern CA. I just arrived back in Seattle with the M17
yesterday. Dan, the former owner, has owned Montgomery sailboats for over 30
years and only sold this barely used one because he messed up his back and
can't single hand anymore (poor fellow). He installed numerous extra blocks
and cleats...it is going to take some time to figure out his rigging plan
since the 95 degree heat during the loading of the boat for trailering melted
my brain while he was explaining things. I was also a little dizzy from
having seen the boat ad on Monday night, buying a plane ticket that same
night, and handing him a cashier's check Tuesday at noon! I have never been
*quite* that spontanious before, but when you see a dream boat barely used for
half price of new, you gotta act fast. Dan was also one of the nicest guys I
have met, and kept tossing additional items I might need into my Uhaul making
me feel even more guilty for taking his boat. When he handed me a set of
padlocks that he had wrapped in protective foam so they would not scratch the
gelcoat when installed on the lockers, I knew I had made a good purchase.
We plan on doing a dry run of completely setting her up for sail this weekend
in the driveway, then packing up and taking a test sail on Lake Washington.
After we get a bit used to her and think we will not look completely clueless,
it would be great to meet up with anyone for a day sail around the Sound or
something. Our previous sailing experience consists of taking the first
serious of sailing courses from Windworks at Shilshole marina and then taking
out their Catalina 25 boats a few times for daysails. Hopefully what we
learned on the Cat 25 boats will transfer to sailing the M17.
Anyway, just wanted to drop a line and introduce ourselves. I look foward to
sailing in the Puget Sound area with some of you soon!
Rick
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Royce 
Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats

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Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?

Any suggestions?

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:34:11 EDT
From: Sandyal55@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
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In a message dated 8/24/2007 5:19:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net writes:

Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn 
over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit 
oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a 
years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed 
it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get 
it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started 
working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i 
was no mechanic)?

Any suggestions?
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Rather than gas in the plug hole, spray WD40 in the carb intake. Then crank 
it over. Lots of times, spark plugs will look good on a 2 stroke, but they 
need changing. They tend to run hot. What engine do you have and how long has it 
sat?
Sandy

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:25:47 -0700
From: "Fran Lebowitz" 
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
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You could try spraying Carburetor Starter ( available almost anywhere ) into 
the spark plug hole, after cleaning off spark plug and setting correct gap. 
Make sure your line from gas tank to carb is clear.
Good luck; I've had success w/the spray.

Fran
former M15 #236
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From: Jeff Royce 
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Sailboats
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to 
turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a 
bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it 
in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i 
emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that 
if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the 
Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark 
plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?
Any suggestions?
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Larson 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats

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Hello Jeff:

There is just no way Seafoam or any other magical band aid will allow your near new motor to run. Seafoam and Sta-bil are great to use in an engine that's in running condition for maintenance purposes. I'm assuming all the "basics" have been addressed. On a recent trip to the Eastern Sierras, I stumbled across a family attempting an after noon outing in a small skiff with a near new Tohatsu 4hp outboard motor. They had been attempting to start it for a half hour. After watching their technique for a few minutes, it was apparent it wasn't going to start at all. Maybe they would have been willing to try Seafoam at that point, but long story short, I gave it a try and four pulls later, they were off and running. Perhaps a trip to the dealer would save you a lot of frustration. Oh, the gas in the cylinder...that would probably darken the plug a little more.

Good Luck,
Bill Larson, M17 #632 "JoEllen" 

Jeff Royce wrote:

Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?

Any suggestions?
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:03:32 -0400
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Subject: RE: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"

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When you had the plug out, did you check to see if you had a good spark?
With the plug out, put the wire on it, touch the threaded part of the plug
to a metal part of the outboard, and pull. (you might need a helper). Just
keep your fingers back on the rubber wire cover so as not to get bitten.
If it has a good spark, you could put a half-teaspoon of gas or a quick shot
of carb cleaner in before replacing the plug. Then see if it will fire. If
it does, then you know it's probably a plugged jet or miss-adjustment....

Tod
M17 #408
BuscaBrisas

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Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!

Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn
over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit
oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a
years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory
clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i
could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam
started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug
"hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?

Any suggestions?
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Grace Coville 
Subject: Re: M_Boats: My "new" used M 15
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats

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Hi Blake,

I bought a 1991 M15 in June. I have been trailering it to area lakes this summer in the hopes of recapturing and improving upon my childhood sailing skills, so that I can progress to Monterey Bay sailing. So far, I've made at least one outrageously stupid mistake on each trip that would probably have killed me if I was on the Bay. I've been to Pinto Lake, Anderson Lake, Del Valle (where I couldn't sail because I'd forgotten the rudder!), and just yesterday Lake Cunningham in San Jose, where I adroitly avoided hitting any of the sailing school sunfishes (though I did crash into the dock). I mostly tacked endlessly near the top of the lake, to be within shouting distance of my kids who were playing at Raging Waters. It was kooky, but fun.

This Tuesday, I plan to take my kids (and rudder) back to Del Valle, to celebrate the very last day of freedom before the Scotts Valley school year begins. As far as I can tell, for the kids, the point of sailing on the boat is to be OFF the boat as much as possible--jumping into the water, swimming with float toys attached to the boat, exploring the shore, etc. I might have three teenagers with me, so it'll be a bit crowded until I can get them off the boat, but then I'm hoping to investigate reefing the sail. If I get ambitious, I'll bring an outboard along, and see if I can figure it out. I'm not very ambitious, though--I find just trailering the boat with our funky, old, poorly-maintained Ford Econoline van, and backing the trailer into the water to be about all the challenge I can handle.

Sorry can't offer anything in the way of salty experience, but if you'd like to join us at Del Valle while we treat our precision sailing machine like a largish pool float toy, you're more than welcome to come.

Also, I've seen a Monty 15 or maybe 17 sitting in a driveway in Capitola. Talked to the guy's neighbor, but haven't been able to catch up with the owner. To drive by, take the New Brighton beach exit, turn up...mmm... Kennedy, I think it is... the fourway stop sign that is on Park Avenue opposite the frontage road that has the entrance to New Brighton. The boat is in the driveway of the house that is on the corner of the first road off of Kennedy to the left. Perhaps, of course, this boat is yours?

Happy sailing,
grace

Blake Reimer wrote: Just a few weeks ago I purchased a 1985 M 15 out of Washington and had it delivered sight unseen to Santa Cruz. It has spent a lot of time in Alaska just prior to my purchase. So far, I am delighted! It looks like I will be naming her IOTA, provided it is not taken by another Monty. I just sanded and oiled the teak yesterday and she smiled.

I am working on getting her outfitted for the Monterey Bay waters: getting the jiffy reefing all in order, installing a Harken 205 cam and pedestal for the mainsheet and, of course, a long list of other items. On two of those items, I could use some salty M-15 experience.

- I know it is a GPS world now (yeah, I've got one too) but I really want a compass installed on board and notice most of the pictures I see don't have one installed. Does any one have a compass and installation that they are really happy with? I don't need anything fancy but would like something I can see in the cockpit without it getting in the way...

- Oddly, my mainsail doesn't seem to have a cunningham eye on it. There is plenty of belly cut into the sail, so I know it can use one. Question: Is this normal on M -15's? If so, do you flatten the sail by using the boom to tighten the luff? If anyone could send me a picture of how they have the whole mast/boom/cunningham/vang area successfully set up, it would be a great help. In the meantime I think I will have a cunningham eyelet put in the main.

I am interested in possibly getting together on any outings here in N. Cal. area. Anybody else?

Blake

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