How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
I've used a small, squeeze bulb transfer pump to move fuel. They do a good job, weigh very little, don't take up much space but are very slow, so your fuel cap will be off for several minutes. My preferred method is to keep my fuel in screw top fuel bottles used by backpackers and mountaineers. I got a couple of larger ones that match the fuel tank capacity of an empty Honda 2.3 tank. I also have a couple of smaller ones that I can top off a partially filled tank. They are useful when I'm approaching a landing or harbor and want to be positive that I will not run out of fuel unexpectedly. All together I carry about 2 gallons in these small fuel bottles. For your situation you might need too many of these, so you might consider transferring your fuel from the 5 gallon can to a 1 gallon can in the cockpit with a small pump. That way you only have to hold an 8 pound one gal.fuel tank off the transform while refueling. For the small fuel bottles that I have I use small home-made funnels that "snap" into the top of the engine. They stay in place without needing to hold them while pouring the fuel. This is handy in rough water because they keep hands free to handle the fuel bottles and hang on. I've found that the top of a one liter seltzer bottle fits into the top of the Honda engine snuggly. The threads on the top provide just enough friction to stay in place while refueling. They are easy to make: just cut off the bottom of the bottle. I reuse mine many times but keep 2-3 in the boat in case one gets lost overboard. Cheers, Mike M-15 *Fionulla* On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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Thanks Skipper These are great suggestions I figure with no wind this 100 mile round trip could take 30 hrs of powering (worst case) and at .3 gal per hr or 30 times to refuel. The trick would be to have 30 - 0.25 gal ( 1 qt-) bottles of fuel ready to go How about used motor oil bottles?----- Have you seen the battery operated transfer pump the mount to the top of 5 gal fuel containers? That seemed like a way to go. Or after all the M15 is a sail boat. Why any fuel at all.? Capt Jim M15 Pelican From: Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 3:22 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fuel transfer I've used a small, squeeze bulb transfer pump to move fuel. They do a good job, weigh very little, don't take up much space but are very slow, so your fuel cap will be off for several minutes. My preferred method is to keep my fuel in screw top fuel bottles used by backpackers and mountaineers. I got a couple of larger ones that match the fuel tank capacity of an empty Honda 2.3 tank. I also have a couple of smaller ones that I can top off a partially filled tank. They are useful when I'm approaching a landing or harbor and want to be positive that I will not run out of fuel unexpectedly. All together I carry about 2 gallons in these small fuel bottles. For your situation you might need too many of these, so you might consider transferring your fuel from the 5 gallon can to a 1 gallon can in the cockpit with a small pump. That way you only have to hold an 8 pound one gal.fuel tank off the transform while refueling. For the small fuel bottles that I have I use small home-made funnels that "snap" into the top of the engine. They stay in place without needing to hold them while pouring the fuel. This is handy in rough water because they keep hands free to handle the fuel bottles and hang on. I've found that the top of a one liter seltzer bottle fits into the top of the Honda engine snuggly. The threads on the top provide just enough friction to stay in place while refueling. They are easy to make: just cut off the bottom of the bottle. I reuse mine many times but keep 2-3 in the boat in case one gets lost overboard. Cheers, Mike M-15 *Fionulla* On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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I have a 2005 M17 and Westmarine sells a 3 gal tank that fits perfect in stern locker. It is slim line, more flat, and can fit in a number of places. I have a newer Honda 4 hp with ability to use internal or external fuel. Charlie Sent from my iPhone
On May 31, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used a small, squeeze bulb transfer pump to move fuel. They do a good job, weigh very little, don't take up much space but are very slow, so your fuel cap will be off for several minutes. My preferred method is to keep my fuel in screw top fuel bottles used by backpackers and mountaineers. I got a couple of larger ones that match the fuel tank capacity of an empty Honda 2.3 tank. I also have a couple of smaller ones that I can top off a partially filled tank. They are useful when I'm approaching a landing or harbor and want to be positive that I will not run out of fuel unexpectedly. All together I carry about 2 gallons in these small fuel bottles. For your situation you might need too many of these, so you might consider transferring your fuel from the 5 gallon can to a 1 gallon can in the cockpit with a small pump. That way you only have to hold an 8 pound one gal.fuel tank off the transform while refueling.
For the small fuel bottles that I have I use small home-made funnels that "snap" into the top of the engine. They stay in place without needing to hold them while pouring the fuel. This is handy in rough water because they keep hands free to handle the fuel bottles and hang on. I've found that the top of a one liter seltzer bottle fits into the top of the Honda engine snuggly. The threads on the top provide just enough friction to stay in place while refueling. They are easy to make: just cut off the bottom of the bottle. I reuse mine many times but keep 2-3 in the boat in case one gets lost overboard. Cheers, Mike M-15 *Fionulla*
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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M17 owners - Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage. The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, May 31, 2022, 9:37 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I have a 2005 M17 and Westmarine sells a 3 gal tank that fits perfect in stern locker. It is slim line, more flat, and can fit in a number of places. I have a newer Honda 4 hp with ability to use internal or external fuel.
Charlie
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On May 31, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used a small, squeeze bulb transfer pump to move fuel. They do a good job, weigh very little, don't take up much space but are very slow, so your fuel cap will be off for several minutes. My preferred method is to keep my fuel in screw top fuel bottles used by backpackers and mountaineers. I got a couple of larger ones that match the fuel tank capacity of an empty Honda 2.3 tank. I also have a couple of smaller ones that I can top off a partially filled tank. They are useful when I'm approaching a landing or harbor and want to be positive that I will not run out of fuel unexpectedly. All together I carry about 2 gallons in these small fuel bottles. For your situation you might need too many of these, so you might consider transferring your fuel from the 5 gallon can to a 1 gallon can in the cockpit with a small pump. That way you only have to hold an 8 pound one gal.fuel tank off the transform while refueling.
For the small fuel bottles that I have I use small home-made funnels that "snap" into the top of the engine. They stay in place without needing to hold them while pouring the fuel. This is handy in rough water because they keep hands free to handle the fuel bottles and hang on. I've found that the top of a one liter seltzer bottle fits into the top of the Honda engine snuggly. The threads on the top provide just enough friction to stay in place while refueling. They are easy to make: just cut off the bottom of the bottle. I reuse mine many times but keep 2-3 in the boat in case one gets lost overboard. Cheers, Mike M-15 *Fionulla*
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com
wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked. However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, May 31, 2022, 9:37 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I have a 2005 M17 and Westmarine sells a 3 gal tank that fits perfect in stern locker. It is slim line, more flat, and can fit in a number of places. I have a newer Honda 4 hp with ability to use internal or external fuel.
Charlie
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On May 31, 2022, at 6:22 AM, Michael Murphy <paulaandmike48@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used a small, squeeze bulb transfer pump to move fuel. They do a good job, weigh very little, don't take up much space but are very slow, so your fuel cap will be off for several minutes. My preferred method is to keep my fuel in screw top fuel bottles used by backpackers and mountaineers. I got a couple of larger ones that match the fuel tank capacity of an empty Honda 2.3 tank. I also have a couple of smaller ones that I can top off a partially filled tank. They are useful when I'm approaching a landing or harbor and want to be positive that I will not run out of fuel unexpectedly. All together I carry about 2 gallons in these small fuel bottles. For your situation you might need too many of these, so you might consider transferring your fuel from the 5 gallon can to a 1 gallon can in the cockpit with a small pump. That way you only have to hold an 8 pound one gal.fuel tank off the transform while refueling.
For the small fuel bottles that I have I use small home-made funnels that "snap" into the top of the engine. They stay in place without needing to hold them while pouring the fuel. This is handy in rough water because they keep hands free to handle the fuel bottles and hang on. I've found that the top of a one liter seltzer bottle fits into the top of the Honda engine snuggly. The threads on the top provide just enough friction to stay in place while refueling. They are easy to make: just cut off the bottom of the bottle. I reuse mine many times but keep 2-3 in the boat in case one gets lost overboard. Cheers, Mike M-15 *Fionulla*
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com
wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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Charles: The locker isn't separated - it is only sealed on the bottom (so water doesn't enter the boat). The top of the line along the transom and sections port&starboard are open to the interior. Put hand in and feel (be careful as there can be sharp fiberglass edges to the pan!) or put head in and look or use a cell phone to snap some pictures. Yes there is the thru-transom fitting for a fuel hose - and this encourages unsafe fuel storage. I modified my M17 to completely separate the aft locker from the rest of the interior and added a large vent, as ABYC safety protocols require) to the footwell wall locker wall (see pic in my prior post). I've also done the modification to a couple other M17s. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, May 31, 2022, 11:14 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked.
However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have.
Charlie
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On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
Mine was sealed from the cabin when purchased. I added drain holes and a large vent. Henry M17 Monita On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 9:28 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles:
The locker isn't separated - it is only sealed on the bottom (so water doesn't enter the boat). The top of the line along the transom and sections port&starboard are open to the interior. Put hand in and feel (be careful as there can be sharp fiberglass edges to the pan!) or put head in and look or use a cell phone to snap some pictures.
Yes there is the thru-transom fitting for a fuel hose - and this encourages unsafe fuel storage.
I modified my M17 to completely separate the aft locker from the rest of the interior and added a large vent, as ABYC safety protocols require) to the footwell wall locker wall (see pic in my prior post). I've also done the modification to a couple other M17s.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, May 31, 2022, 11:14 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked.
However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have.
Charlie
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
Henry: The mach2 boats ate different than the Mach-1 boats (aka those with the transom cutout with no aft 'wet' locker) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 8:18 AM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Mine was sealed from the cabin when purchased. I added drain holes and a large vent.
Henry M17 Monita
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 9:28 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles:
The locker isn't separated - it is only sealed on the bottom (so water doesn't enter the boat). The top of the line along the transom and sections port&starboard are open to the interior. Put hand in and feel (be careful as there can be sharp fiberglass edges to the pan!) or put head in and look or use a cell phone to snap some pictures.
Yes there is the thru-transom fitting for a fuel hose - and this encourages unsafe fuel storage.
I modified my M17 to completely separate the aft locker from the rest of the interior and added a large vent, as ABYC safety protocols require) to the footwell wall locker wall (see pic in my prior post). I've also done the modification to a couple other M17s.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, May 31, 2022, 11:14 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked.
However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have.
Charlie
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
Thanks Dave for the education. I will follow your advise. When I bought the boat that locker was a curiosity for me. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Jun 1, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles:
The locker isn't separated - it is only sealed on the bottom (so water doesn't enter the boat). The top of the line along the transom and sections port&starboard are open to the interior. Put hand in and feel (be careful as there can be sharp fiberglass edges to the pan!) or put head in and look or use a cell phone to snap some pictures.
Yes there is the thru-transom fitting for a fuel hose - and this encourages unsafe fuel storage.
I modified my M17 to completely separate the aft locker from the rest of the interior and added a large vent, as ABYC safety protocols require) to the footwell wall locker wall (see pic in my prior post). I've also done the modification to a couple other M17s.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, May 31, 2022, 11:14 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked.
However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have.
Charlie
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
Henry, if you store fuel in your starboard locker, there needs to be at minimum a 3” round inlet and separate 3” outlet with ducting to the lowest point of the locker to pull fumes out. This allows passive ventilation to extract fuel vapors out of the locker. I use MSR fuel bottles like Dave noted and store them in cockpit- easy size container to transfer to outboard tank. Check REI for the bottles. Have fun on the Salish trip- look for #354- he may be participating. Have fun- (wrapping up sail season here due to ‘thermal challenges!) Enjoy! GO On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 11:44 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks Dave for the education. I will follow your advise. When I bought the boat that locker was a curiosity for me.
Charlie
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On Jun 1, 2022, at 10:28 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Charles:
The locker isn't separated - it is only sealed on the bottom (so water doesn't enter the boat). The top of the line along the transom and sections port&starboard are open to the interior. Put hand in and feel (be careful as there can be sharp fiberglass edges to the pan!) or put head in and look or use a cell phone to snap some pictures.
Yes there is the thru-transom fitting for a fuel hose - and this encourages unsafe fuel storage.
I modified my M17 to completely separate the aft locker from the rest of the interior and added a large vent, as ABYC safety protocols require) to the footwell wall locker wall (see pic in my prior post). I've also done the modification to a couple other M17s.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, May 31, 2022, 11:14 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I’m confused Dave and haven’t boat near me where I can double check it. The small locker I referred to in my 2005 is in the stern totally separated from cabin. Has a hole where fuel line from motor leads into it and would allow a small amount of air to vent. Also two waterlines in it for water to drain from cockpit. Before finding the tank from Westmarine I propped the locker lid open and put the gas tank in cockpit as you mention. That or run the line over the stern to tank. Neither did I like. I accepted the locker was for Gas container so you didn’t have to have a container in cockpit sliding around if not blocked.
However the more I read here the more I learn the differences between the M17 and happy I have the one I have.
Charlie
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2022, at 12:48 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
M17 owners -
Unless modified the aft locker of a 2nd Generation 17 ISN'T separated from the cabin. It can leak fumes into the bilge/cabin = boom! Even if sealed off without adding a large vent (as I outlined in a prior post) the locker is an explosion hazard if used for fuel storage.
The safest place to keep a fuel container is on the cockpit floor. Put fuel at the aft end of the footwell isn't actually a bad thing as one shouldn't be sitting that far aft (this is even more important on the M15/S15/SC).
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
Jim. The best fuel can setup is having one 1-gallon and a larger 2.5 gallon. The 1-gallon is used to fill the motor. As the one gallon empties transfer fuel from larger to smaller can. Use the No-Spill brand - https://nospill.com Having 3.5 gallons aboard gives you 14 hour range. Use gallons/hour as direction wind/current/waves will increase/decrease range = KPG (knots per gallon) isn't consistent for distance over ground. If you need more range have the large container be a 5-gallon. Store containers at the aft end of the cockpit. NEVER in a locker or below! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:45 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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Thanks Dave -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:31 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fuel transfer Jim. The best fuel can setup is having one 1-gallon and a larger 2.5 gallon. The 1-gallon is used to fill the motor. As the one gallon empties transfer fuel from larger to smaller can. Use the No-Spill brand - https://nospill.com Having 3.5 gallons aboard gives you 14 hour range. Use gallons/hour as direction wind/current/waves will increase/decrease range = KPG (knots per gallon) isn't consistent for distance over ground. If you need more range have the large container be a 5-gallon. Store containers at the aft end of the cockpit. NEVER in a locker or below! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, May 30, 2022, 9:45 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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I use MSR backpacking fuel bottles in the 30oz size, and store a stack of them them in my cockpit locker (with liner intact, not connected to the cabin). These are extremely leak proof and high quality bottles. I then use a small funnel (FloTool Mr. Funnel) that has an integrated filter and water separator to transfer into the outboard. If I do a really long trip, I bring a 2.5 gallon bottle that I refill the small ones from, and store that in the aft cockpit floor. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 9:44:54 PM Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
Reminder about safe fuel storage - Fuels should not be stored in an enclosed locker - even if the locker is separated (air tight( from the cabin. Storage in an unventilated space is an explosion hazard. I modified my M17's aft locker to be separated from the cabin and also installed an appropriate vent to reduce the chance of an explosion. See attached picture and note the stainless vent grating at the aft end of the cockpit footwell wall. SWEET PEA is a '2nd-gen M17 with the aft 'wet' locker. I stored butane containers in the locker. Gasoline was stored in the footwell. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, May 31, 2022, 8:49 AM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I use MSR backpacking fuel bottles in the 30oz size, and store a stack of them them in my cockpit locker (with liner intact, not connected to the cabin). These are extremely leak proof and high quality bottles. I then use a small funnel (FloTool Mr. Funnel) that has an integrated filter and water separator to transfer into the outboard.
If I do a really long trip, I bring a 2.5 gallon bottle that I refill the small ones from, and store that in the aft cockpit floor.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 9:44:54 PM Subject: M_Boats: Fuel transfer
How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15
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