I pull Sweet Dream with an old F150 short wheelbase. I don't see the need for trailer brakes (I drive on flatland - no mountains). I am going to inspect the wheel bearings this spring on the new pacific trailer, hopefully there isn't any water in the bearings. I did sail last friday but lost wind halfway across the bay. Bones - Winter is a little cool here in LA (lower Alabama), had to wear a tee shirt over my swim trunks, oh well. Fair winds - Don Ludlow -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:04 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 11, Issue 8 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: montgomery rendezvous (GaryM.Hyde) 2. Re: Re: montgomery rendezvous (Larry Yake) 3. Re: Re: montgomery rendezvous (GaryM.Hyde) 4. Re: Re: montgomery rendezvous (Tom and Susan Wilkinson) 5. Re: Trailer Paint? (Wilsometer@aol.com) 6. M17 Cockpit Water . . . (Honshells) 7. Correction . . . M17 Cockpit Water . . . (Honshells) 8. Re: Trailer Paint? (chbenneck@juno.com) 9. Re: Trailer Rebuild (bownez@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0800 From: Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery rendezvous To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <6DADB354-4883-11D8-B074-00039301992E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed PNW M boaters: Just cleaning up earlier email. I'd be very interested in getting together for a sail next summer, or to meet each other this spring. I'll be available in April and May; then in July thru end of sailing season (retirement is nice). --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration' On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 08:46 AM, Derfsails@aol.com wrote:
Hi Larry,
I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer.
Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two.
Thanks for the response.
Fred (derf)
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--Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration' ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:50:02 -0800 From: Larry Yake <leyake@juno.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery rendezvous To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040116.165003.-504819.10.leyake@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gary, The San Juan Rendezvous will be in June, starting either the 5th or the 19th. I see that's not on your list of available times, but maybe we can get something together locally for a weekend or so. There's quite a few M boats in the Inland Northwest. Larry Yake Deer Park, Wa. On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0800 Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> writes:
PNW M boaters: Just cleaning up earlier email.
I'd be very interested in getting together for a sail next summer, or to meet each other this spring. I'll be available in April and May;
then in July thru end of sailing season (retirement is nice). --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 08:46 AM, Derfsails@aol.com wrote:
Hi Larry,
I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer.
Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two.
Thanks for the response.
Fred (derf)
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:06:19 -0800 From: Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery rendezvous To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <1F1360B8-489A-11D8-B074-00039301992E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks, Larry: We are taking the ferry to Alaska circa June 6 and driving back. Don't plan to get back until toward end of June sometime. Yes, Let's get together locally, even for coffee! Pullman isn't that far from Deer Park. --Gary On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 04:50 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Hi Gary, The San Juan Rendezvous will be in June, starting either the 5th or the 19th. I see that's not on your list of available times, but maybe we can get something together locally for a weekend or so. There's quite a few M boats in the Inland Northwest. Larry Yake Deer Park, Wa.
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0800 Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> writes:
PNW M boaters: Just cleaning up earlier email.
I'd be very interested in getting together for a sail next summer, or to meet each other this spring. I'll be available in April and May;
then in July thru end of sailing season (retirement is nice). --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 08:46 AM, Derfsails@aol.com wrote:
Hi Larry,
I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer.
Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two.
Thanks for the response.
Fred (derf)
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:33:57 -0800 From: "Tom and Susan Wilkinson" <ttwilki@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery rendezvous To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <002e01c3dd20$170e9730$42c8bb3f@DBQKGM3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not sure that I will be able to make it to the Puget Sound get together but would certainly be interested in one on the east side of the mountains. I live in Richland,Wa so it looks like there are a few of us nearby. Tom "Obsessus" M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary M. Hyde" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery rendezvous
Thanks, Larry: We are taking the ferry to Alaska circa June 6 and driving back. Don't plan to get back until toward end of June sometime. Yes, Let's get together locally, even for coffee! Pullman isn't that far from Deer Park. --Gary
On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 04:50 PM, Larry Yake wrote:
Hi Gary, The San Juan Rendezvous will be in June, starting either the 5th or the 19th. I see that's not on your list of available times, but maybe we can get something together locally for a weekend or so. There's quite a few M boats in the Inland Northwest. Larry Yake Deer Park, Wa.
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:23:52 -0800 Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> writes:
PNW M boaters: Just cleaning up earlier email.
I'd be very interested in getting together for a sail next summer, or to meet each other this spring. I'll be available in April and May;
then in July thru end of sailing season (retirement is nice). --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 08:46 AM, Derfsails@aol.com wrote:
Hi Larry,
I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer.
Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two.
Thanks for the response.
Fred (derf)
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------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:43:03 EST From: Wilsometer@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailer Paint? To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <1eb.176e4c79.2d3aea47@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Connie, Giles, et al, Thank you for your input regarding Trailer paint. I think I might go the black Rustoleum route this time around. Now it's on to trailer brake rebuild. Ugh! Small boats are simple boats! Scott M15 #478 'bebe' Flicka (unnamed) ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:02:37 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: M17 Cockpit Water . . . To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <008401c3dd34$dbddf420$7d63b3cf@computer> Clarence, You might consider this: One M-Lister's solution to the cockpit drainage problem was to reverse the cockpit hoses leading to the cockpit drains. The result is that (please forgive me if I have these terms reversed, I'm afraid I'm "sailing-lingo-disadvantaged"), on a port-tack, the water coming in the port thru-hull has to travel to the starboard ("high-side", if I have my lingo right) drain. On a starboard-tack, the water coming in the starboard thru-hull has to travel to the port ("high-side") drain. I believe the M-lister who reversed his drain-hoses said the switch solved the water incursion problem, while still allowing water to drain "out" effectively. Personally, I wouldn't want to raise my cockpit floor substantially, if I could avoid it, because I wouldn't want that "knees at your chin" dingy feel you'll get in a Com-Pac 16', or Seaward Fox. At 5' 0" tall, I am probably the shortest Montgomery sailor on this list, yet the height of the M17 cockpit benches is perfect for me, and I wouldn't want to lower it by raising the cockpit floor: Just my personal preference. Of the boats I've sailed, including a Flicka 20' and Cal 25', the M17 has the most comfortable cockpit. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Some M17 Questions Tom, My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:11:36 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Correction . . . M17 Cockpit Water . . . To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000401c3dd36$1d42dec0$f455b3cf@computer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: M17 Cockpit Water . . . Clarence, You might consider this: One M-Lister's solution to the cockpit drainage problem was to reverse the drain-hoses leading to the cockpit drains. The result is that (please forgive me if I have these terms reversed, I'm afraid I'm "sailing-lingo-disadvantaged"), on a port-tack, the water coming in the port thru-hull has to travel to the starboard ("high-side", if I have my lingo right) drain. On a starboard-tack, the water coming in the starboard thru-hull has to travel to the port ("high-side") drain. I believe the M-lister who reversed his drain-hoses said the switch solved the water incursion problem, while still allowing water to drain "out" effectively. Personally, I wouldn't want to raise my cockpit floor substantially, if I could avoid it, because I wouldn't want that "knees at your chin" dingy feel you'll get in a Com-Pac 16', or Seaward Fox. At 5' 0" tall, I am probably the shortest Montgomery sailor on this list, yet the height of the M17 cockpit benches is perfect for me, and I wouldn't want to lower it by raising the cockpit floor: Just my personal preference. Of the boats I've sailed, including a Flicka 20' and Cal 25', the M17 has the most comfortable cockpit. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Some M17 Questions Tom, My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:36:14 -0500 From: chbenneck@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailer Paint? To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040118.125024.368.0.chbenneck@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Scott, I have been contemplating trailer brakes for the Trailrite trailer for my M15. What kind of brakes are you using? Electric or hydraulic? Are you happy with them? .......or would you change to something else? Drum, or disk? If you had to do it again from scratch, which way would you go, and most importantly, .....why? I am hauling the M15 with my VW Jetta VR6 wagon. Thanks for your input. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:01:37 GMT From: bownez@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trailer Rebuild To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040118.110231.28395.1914995@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hi Connie and listers, I rebuilt my M23 trailer summer before last. The stock Trailrite trailer needed new squarestock welded in, the winch support rebuilt, new coupler and master cylinder, brake lines, brakes, and paint. Sounds like a big project, but actually, the Trailrite is built from component pieces that were easily replaced. The brakes are drums, hydraulic, and the complete backing plates are available with shoes, wheel cylinders, springs, etc, all preloaded and bolt up. Very easy. For the M15 and M17, you will need to add the master cylinder/coupler, mine is an Atwood. I have it welded on. Then add the brake lines, also available as a kit. A local supply store, Pioneer Wheel, had everything I needed and in stock. Fellow M23er Theo also has refurbished his trailer in the same manner. PS, I used Rustoleum primer and paint, brush applied. Good Luck Bones in Mpls 1.6 degrees and frost on the windows ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 11, Issue 8 ***********************************************
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