Hello all, I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16). Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard). Thanks, Andrei.
HI ANDREI, LET US KNOW IF THIS WORKS. I HATE THE WIRE TO ROPE HALYARD. A CONCERN MIGHT BE THE SHEAVES FOR ROPE ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE SHEAVES USED FOR WIRE. LON M17 -- SELKIE -=-=-=-= Subject: M_Boats: Halyard line Hello all, I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16). Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard). Thanks, Andrei.
Lon, The Vectra hallyards work great on Griselda and the existing sheaves handle the line smoothly. One advantage is that the all vectra hallyards eliminate the knots inside the mast that attach the rope tails to the wire and allow more room in the mast for the masthead and anchor light wiring and the VHF antenna coax. Once I had removed 20 years accumulation of bird's nests from the mast, it was an easy job. Griselda sat in my brother's back yard for 20 years before I brought her to my house and did the refurb. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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HI ANDREI,
LET US KNOW IF THIS WORKS. I HATE THE WIRE TO ROPE HALYARD. A CONCERN MIGHT BE THE SHEAVES FOR ROPE ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE SHEAVES USED FOR WIRE.
LON M17 -- SELKIE -=-=-=-=
Subject: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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THANKS JOE, THE HALYARDS ON SELKIE ARE EXTERNAL. IT IS A 1978 BOAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE EVER INSIDE THE MAST. LON Subject: Re: M_Boats: : Halyard line Lon, The Vectra hallyards work great on Griselda and the existing sheaves handle the line smoothly. One advantage is that the all vectra hallyards eliminate the knots inside the mast that attach the rope tails to the wire and allow more room in the mast for the masthead and anchor light wiring and the VHF antenna coax. Once I had removed 20 years accumulation of bird's nests from the mast, it was an easy job. Griselda sat in my brother's back yard for 20 years before I brought her to my house and did the refurb. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta-Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
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Hi Andrei, The 1/4 inch halyard should be fine, or do you really expect to exert 1,000 lbs of pull on the halyard? The problem with line of that size is not the load it will carry - it is more than adequate for the job an an M15 / M17 - the real problem is with your hands as you pull on the halyard. Larger halyard or line sizes may be easier on the hands, but the larger size is really not necessary . Try the 1/4 inch halyard, and if you find that you don't like the "feel" of it, then the cost of going to a next larger size isn't that much - 30 feet of line in that size isn't very expensive. Connie
Andrei, I just measured all the lines on my 2004: halyards are 3/8, sheets are 5/16, topping lift is 1/4, and the furler retracting line is 3/16. I think the 3/16 might be large enough for reefing as well. Tom Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrei Caldararu" <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Andrei, I just replaced my internal wire hallyards on Griselda (M17 #14) with 5/16" Vectra. My best price was from Chuck Leinweber at Duckworks and he is great to work with. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
From: andreic@math.wisc.edu To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:34:15 -0500 Subject: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
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Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great. Gordon On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Correction: I think my new halyards are 50 feet, long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit. Gordon On May 11, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
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Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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50 feet is more like it. I bought 100 feet for both halyards and had about 8 feet left over. Check duckworks for the line. They had great prices when I got mine a few months ago. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
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Correction: I think my new halyards are 50 feet, long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit.
Gordon
On May 11, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Gordon, My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope? Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Hi, Tom: Although my '83 model apparently came with wire-to-rope halyards, the sheaves are just wide enough to accept the 5/16" line. So I didn't have to switch. After one season, the new halyards look great, with no fraying. I think I recall Bob Eeg posting a while back, saying he had some extra rope halyard sheaves available. He might be worth a try. Otherwise, you might give Jeff at Rigging Only a call. Gordon M-17 "Sapphire" On May 12, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gordon,
My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope?
Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla
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Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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My sheaves which were designed for wire rope have been working fine with the 5/16 vectra. I read that it is OK to use a wire rope sheave with line if it is wide enough but not wire on a rope sheave. I do have nylon sheaves the right size that I got from Duckworks when I bought the vectra rope. I kept them in my parts box and if I start to get any binding or apparent wear on the halyards, I will change them out. Duckworks has a limited viariety of hardware primarily geared to the home builder but what they do have has been consistantly lower price that Defender and especially West Marine. Besides, Chuck at duckworks is great to work with. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
From: gordon@financialwriting.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:20:39 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Tom: Although my '83 model apparently came with wire-to-rope halyards, the sheaves are just wide enough to accept the 5/16" line. So I didn't have to switch. After one season, the new halyards look great, with no fraying.
I think I recall Bob Eeg posting a while back, saying he had some extra rope halyard sheaves available. He might be worth a try. Otherwise, you might give Jeff at Rigging Only a call.
Gordon M-17 "Sapphire"
On May 12, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gordon,
My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope?
Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla
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Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Just for your information, I always had my sheaves made at a machine shop out of 3/8 aluminum plate, by the hundreds. They were grooved for line, but worked well with wire. They were sized for 5/15 material. If you get in a jamb I have a few, but you might have to get out a file because alum sheet stock varies by several thousands . Thne 17 is the tight one, and the 15 has plenty of clearance normally. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Keeler" <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> To: "Montgomery boats mailing list" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line My sheaves which were designed for wire rope have been working fine with the 5/16 vectra. I read that it is OK to use a wire rope sheave with line if it is wide enough but not wire on a rope sheave. I do have nylon sheaves the right size that I got from Duckworks when I bought the vectra rope. I kept them in my parts box and if I start to get any binding or apparent wear on the halyards, I will change them out. Duckworks has a limited viariety of hardware primarily geared to the home builder but what they do have has been consistantly lower price that Defender and especially West Marine. Besides, Chuck at duckworks is great to work with. Whitebeard M17 #14, Griselda
From: gordon@financialwriting.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:20:39 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Tom: Although my '83 model apparently came with wire-to-rope halyards, the sheaves are just wide enough to accept the 5/16" line. So I didn't have to switch. After one season, the new halyards look great, with no fraying.
I think I recall Bob Eeg posting a while back, saying he had some extra rope halyard sheaves available. He might be worth a try. Otherwise, you might give Jeff at Rigging Only a call.
Gordon M-17 "Sapphire"
On May 12, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gordon,
My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope?
Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Thanks, guys. My sheaves appear to be aluminum with a fairly deep slot just big enough for the wire. I think they would eat rope up pretty quickly. A change-out will be one of my future projects, since the system has no wear. I guess we can assume that wire was used to cut down windage on these race-bred boats, or perhaps for esthetics, but the 3-strand rope halyards on my Nor'Sea 27 have lasted 30 years, and are going strong. It is amazing that synthetic materials can last that long in tropical sun. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Tom: Although my '83 model apparently came with wire-to-rope halyards, the sheaves are just wide enough to accept the 5/16" line. So I didn't have to switch. After one season, the new halyards look great, with no fraying.
I think I recall Bob Eeg posting a while back, saying he had some extra rope halyard sheaves available. He might be worth a try. Otherwise, you might give Jeff at Rigging Only a call.
Gordon M-17 "Sapphire"
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Gordon,
My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope?
Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla
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Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Tom, my 75' M-17 had plastic sheaves that would not accommodate rope halyards. I got a new set from Bob Eeg who was really very helpful in maintaining/upgrading a boat he did not manufacture. I put them in a chuck type of device on my drill press and used a file to open them up. My sheaves were plastic when I got the boat. If you have aluminum you can widen them yourself. Worked great. Robbin Tom Jenkins wrote:
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My halyard sheaves are definitely designed for wire only; was it difficult to find replacement sheaves to accommodate rope?
Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Halyard line
Hi, Andrei: I replaced my wire-to-rope halyards last year with 5/16 Stay-Set, and the all-rope halyards have worked out well. I ordered 40' of the line for each halyard from Rigging Only (Jeff there is very helpful), a length that is long enough for leading them aft to the cockpit eventually. Rigging Only spliced a high-quality Wichard headboard pin shackle on the main halyard and a beefy Wichard snap shackle on the jib halyard (make sure you get strong, high-quality shackles). It all works great.
Gordon
On May 10, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to replace my old wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope ones. The ones I would be buying would be from New England Ropes, Sta- Set, and I would need some advice on how thick a line I should go with. Would 1/4 be enough, or 5/16, or do I need thicker line? These lines have tensile strengths of 2000lbs (1/4) and 3000lbs (5/16).
Does anyone know what the newer boats come with? Also, has anyone measured their masts (I assume I need about twice the length of the mast for the length of the halyard).
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Tom Jenkins