roller furling for my new Montgomery 17?
Hi, My name's Mike Smith and I ordered a new Montgomery 17 two weeks ago. She should be ready for launch by mid-March. I last sailed 15 years ago when I was living on Long Island. I owned a Thistle then which is a 17 foot racer/day sailer and crewed on larger boats. Now I live in Las Vegas and bought the Montgomery 17 for sailing Lake Mead locally and points beyond (Southern California, Sea of Cortez). Could anyone help me make a decision on whether or not to equip the boat with a roller furling jib installed by Montgomery Boats? I've never trailer sailed and wonder if the roller furling set up will complicate launch, retrieval and storage of the boat. The jib being offered with the CDI-FF2 system is 109% which is the same as the working jib. I'm given to understand that the Montgomery 17 is gernerally sailed with a genoa head sail in the light air conditions prevalent in the southwest. I haven't talked to Bob Eeg yet about whether it would be possible to order a 150% set up with reefing capability. I'd enjoy the convenience of roller furling afloat but wonder if a working jib and genoa might be the way to go out of the gate. I'd appreciate some thoughts on this matter. Thanks, Mike
Hi Mike, Congratulations, you will love your new M17. Order the roller furler with a genoa. You'll love the convenience. I put the CDI with a 135% on my M17 (I sail in winds over 20 knots quite often and wanted the heavier cloth and smaller size of my 135). Others have set theirs up with the 150% and liked it as well. There is a good deal of information about the CDI as related to M17s on the MSOG website. It does add a few minutes (maybe 10-15) to setup and tear down time (we kept our boat in a slip much of the time). Mark Dvorscak M17 Grace M23 Faith
Mike, I purchased a new M-17 , s/n 604 which was delivered in 2000. I have the CDI roller furler you mentioned, but I installed it myself. The advantage in having it installed at the factory, is that it will save you the trouble of sending the sail off to its manufacturer to remove the hanks and add the bead required to slide into the CDI. While you are at it, I'd ask for a second reefing point. The furler will have to be lashed to the mast when you are trailering the boat, but it can be easily done with bungees. The bungees I found best for that are the ones that have a ball on each end, and are short enough to reach around the mast in one loop. I ordered a 150% tanbark jib from Bob's oem supplier, Elliott-Pattison, and received very good service. Skip Elliott is the person I dealt with, and he was very helpful and extremely patient with my lack of sailing experience. (Skip Elliott Phone 949-645-6697, e-mail se@epsails.com). I would not hesitate to deal with Elliott Pattison if I ever buy another sail. Best of luck. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum M-6-10 Carpe Ventum Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Redrocklvr2@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: M_Boats: roller furling for my new Montgomery 17?
Hi, My name's Mike Smith and I ordered a new Montgomery 17 two weeks ago. She should be ready for launch by mid-March. I last sailed 15 years ago when I was living on Long Island. I owned a Thistle then which is a 17 foot racer/day sailer and crewed on larger boats. Now I live in Las Vegas and bought the Montgomery 17 for sailing Lake Mead locally and points beyond (Southern California, Sea of Cortez). Could anyone help me make a decision on whether or not to equip the boat with a roller furling jib installed by Montgomery Boats? I've never trailer sailed and wonder if the roller furling set up will complicate launch, retrieval and storage of the boat. The jib being offered with the CDI-FF2 system is 109% which is the same as the working jib. I'm given to understand that the Montgomery 17 is gernerally sailed with a genoa head sail in the light air conditions prevalent in the southwest. I haven't talked to Bob Eeg yet about whether it would be possible to order a 150% set up with reefing capability. I'd enjoy the convenience of roller furling afloat but wonder if a working jib and genoa might be the way to go out of the gate. I'd appreciate some thoughts on this matter. Thanks, Mike
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Clarence, Even though I pollute the M-List frequently with my amateur opinions, I have a lifetime of learning to do. My question: Why would you need a reef-point on a roller-reefing headsail? I'm jealous of your tanbark jib: I'll bet it really "classes up" Carpe Ventum (which is ironic, b/c the tanbark color is intended to imitate a working-boat's sail, so is not traditionally "yachty", but SO pretty). I attended a seminar with Lin and Larry Pardey at Strictly Sail Chicago a couple weekends ago. They talked about cruising on a budget, and said they preferred colored sails to white, b/c they hold up better: They're less susceptible to UV damage . . . I was surprised at this, because I thought color would "soak up the sun", but when I think about it, I guess most sunbrella protection for furling sails is colored. I will definitely mount tanbark when I have the budget, b/c not only do I think it's beautiful, but apparently it makes common sense, too (unless the initial cost is outrageously higher, but I don't think that's the case). --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: roller furling for my new Montgomery 17? Mike, I purchased a new M-17 , s/n 604 which was delivered in 2000. I have the CDI roller furler you mentioned, but I installed it myself. The advantage in having it installed at the factory, is that it will save you the trouble of sending the sail off to its manufacturer to remove the hanks and add the bead required to slide into the CDI. While you are at it, I'd ask for a second reefing point. The furler will have to be lashed to the mast when you are trailering the boat, but it can be easily done with bungees. The bungees I found best for that are the ones that have a ball on each end, and are short enough to reach around the mast in one loop. I ordered a 150% tanbark jib from Bob's oem supplier, Elliott-Pattison, and received very good service. Skip Elliott is the person I dealt with, and he was very helpful and extremely patient with my lack of sailing experience. (Skip Elliott Phone 949-645-6697, e-mail se@epsails.com). I would not hesitate to deal with Elliott Pattison if I ever buy another sail. Best of luck. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum M-6-10 Carpe Ventum Jr.
Craig, Sorry for not expresing my self more clearly. The second reefing point I had reference to was on the MAINSAIL, and not the jib. I had to send my jib back to be modified for use with the CDI. At the same time, I sent the main back for the second reefing point. Thanks Craig for pionting out the error of my ways. As an old professor told me one time that I should pull some of my tail feathers, stick them in my tail, and get more direction and less flight. This is one of those times. Regarding the tanbark sails, Bill Riker has them on Storm Petrel. Last summer at the CBR-2003 we could see those sails in the distance long after all the white sails had dissolved into the mist. Also, I've been told by an old salt that they stand up to UV better than the white ones, but I can't back that up by citing a scientific study. Best regards, Clarence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: reefing point?
Clarence, Even though I pollute the M-List frequently with my amateur
opinions, I have a lifetime of learning
to do. My question: Why would you need a reef-point on a roller-reefing headsail? I'm jealous of your tanbark jib: I'll bet it really "classes up" Carpe Ventum (which is ironic, b/c the tanbark color is intended to imitate a working-boat's sail, so is not traditionally "yachty", but SO pretty). I attended a seminar with Lin and Larry Pardey at Strictly Sail Chicago a couple weekends ago. They talked about cruising on a budget, and said they preferred colored sails to white, b/c they hold up better: They're less susceptible to UV damage . . . I was surprised at this, because I thought color would "soak up the sun", but when I think about it, I guess most sunbrella protection for furling sails is colored. I will definitely mount tanbark when I have the budget, b/c not only do I think it's beautiful, but apparently it makes common sense, too (unless the initial cost is outrageously higher, but I don't think that's the ase). --Craig
----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: roller furling for my new Montgomery 17?
Mike,
I purchased a new M-17 , s/n 604 which was delivered in 2000. I have the CDI roller furler you mentioned, but I installed it myself. The advantage in having it installed at the factory, is that it will save you the trouble of sending the sail off to its manufacturer to remove the hanks and add the bead required to slide into the CDI. While you are at it, I'd ask for a second reefing point.
The furler will have to be lashed to the mast when you are trailering the boat, but it can be easily done with bungees. The bungees I found best for that are the ones that have a ball on each end, and are short enough to reach around the mast in one loop.
I ordered a 150% tanbark jib from Bob's oem supplier, Elliott-Pattison, and received very good service. Skip Elliott is the person I dealt with, and he was very helpful and extremely patient with my lack of sailing experience. (Skip Elliott Phone 949-645-6697, e-mail se@epsails.com). I would not hesitate to deal with Elliott Pattison if I ever buy another sail.
Best of luck.
Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum M-6-10 Carpe Ventum Jr.
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Thanks, Clarence! I hadn't intended to correct you: I thought there might actually be a reason for having a reef-point in a roller-furling jib, just had no idea what that reason would be. Per my first post, below, the World-girdling Pardeys claim from experience that darker sails last longer, so I'll take their first-hand wisdom over any ol' "Practical Sailor" study! :-) --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: reefing point? Craig, Sorry for not expresing my self more clearly. The second reefing point I had reference to was on the MAINSAIL, and not the jib. I had to send my jib back to be modified for use with the CDI. At the same time, I sent the main back for the second reefing point. Thanks Craig for pionting out the error of my ways. As an old professor told me one time that I should pull some of my tail feathers, stick them in my tail, and get more direction and less flight. This is one of those times. Regarding the tanbark sails, Bill Riker has them on Storm Petrel. Last summer at the CBR-2003 we could see those sails in the distance long after all the white sails had dissolved into the mist. Also, I've been told by an old salt that they stand up to UV better than the white ones, but I can't back that up by citing a scientific study. Best regards, Clarence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: reefing point? Clarence, Even though I pollute the M-List frequently with my amateur opinions, I have a lifetime of learning to do. My question: Why would you need a reef-point on a roller-reefing headsail? I'm jealous of your tanbark jib: I'll bet it really "classes up" Carpe Ventum (which is ironic, b/c the tanbark color is intended to imitate a working-boat's sail, so is not traditionally "yachty", but SO pretty). I attended a seminar with Lin and Larry Pardey at Strictly Sail Chicago a couple weekends ago. They talked about cruising on a budget, and said they preferred colored sails to white, b/c they hold up better: They're less susceptible to UV damage . . . I was surprised at this, because I thought color would "soak up the sun", but when I think about it, I guess most sunbrella protection for furling sails is colored. I will definitely mount tanbark when I have the budget, b/c not only do I think it's beautiful, but apparently it makes common sense, too (unless the initial cost is outrageously higher, but I don't think that's the case). --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: roller furling for my new Montgomery 17? Mike, I purchased a new M-17 , s/n 604 which was delivered in 2000. I have the CDI roller furler you mentioned, but I installed it myself. The advantage in having it installed at the factory, is that it will save you the trouble of sending the sail off to its manufacturer to remove the hanks and add the bead required to slide into the CDI. While you are at it, I'd ask for a second reefing point. The furler will have to be lashed to the mast when you are trailering the boat, but it can be easily done with bungees. The bungees I found best for that are the ones that have a ball on each end, and are short enough to reach around the mast in one loop. I ordered a 150% tanbark jib from Bob's oem supplier, Elliott-Pattison, and received very good service. Skip Elliott is the person I dealt with, and he was very helpful and extremely patient with my lack of sailing experience. (Skip Elliott Phone 949-645-6697, e-mail se@epsails.com). I would not hesitate to deal with Elliott Pattison if I ever buy another sail. Best of luck. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum M-6-10 Carpe Ventum Jr.
Mike, I have the CDI and it does complicate raising and lowering the mast a bit . . . It adds weight, and makes it harder to connect the forestay to the stemhead . . . And it's a little troublesome to stow the assembly along the mast . . . It definitely adds time and effort to launch and retrieval . . . This summer, I'll go with an adjusable backstay to ease the process . . . But I'm a lazy sailor and I love the furler's convenience underway . . . Especially the roller REEFING, which allows me to reduce sail without leaving the cockpit. I'm sure Bob would install a 150 on request, and it sounds like you'd need it . . . To those of you who have CDI's and regularly trialer and launch your boats, I'd love to read any tips on how to ease the process. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: <Redrocklvr2@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: roller furling for my new Montgomery 17? Hi, My name's Mike Smith and I ordered a new Montgomery 17 two weeks ago. She should be ready for launch by mid-March. I last sailed 15 years ago when I was living on Long Island. I owned a Thistle then which is a 17 foot racer/day sailer and crewed on larger boats. Now I live in Las Vegas and bought the Montgomery 17 for sailing Lake Mead locally and points beyond (Southern California, Sea of Cortez). Could anyone help me make a decision on whether or not to equip the boat with a roller furling jib installed by Montgomery Boats? I've never trailer sailed and wonder if the roller furling set up will complicate launch, retrieval and storage of the boat. The jib being offered with the CDI-FF2 system is 109% which is the same as the working jib. I'm given to understand that the Montgomery 17 is gernerally sailed with a genoa head sail in the light air conditions prevalent in the southwest. I haven't talked to Bob Eeg yet about whether it would be possible to order a 150% set up with reefing capability. I'd enjoy the convenience of roller furling afloat but wonder if a working jib and genoa might be the way to go out of the gate. I'd appreciate some thoughts on this matter. Thanks, Mike
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