Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's? Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
The motor mount that Bob provided on my 2008 M17 makes lifting my 6hp 55lb Tohatsu a breeze. And I ain't no Atlas!! Joe M17 Seafrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jenkins To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: M_Boats: motor size Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's? Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current. two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors. still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote: Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's? Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
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Tom.... Back in 1982 I was drunk sitting in a hot-tube with Lin and Larry and several other folks that I forget now; this was at Lake Elsinore where Larry/Lin were building Taleisin their new Lyle Hess designed 30 footer. Larry was building her in a shed, no electricity, just a generator that he ran when he needed the table saw. The subject was whether Taleisin would have an inboard Diesel or not. When Larry had stopped by my Shop in Laguna Hills once I had several engines on the floor; I spent some time explaining how they could be hand started in a pinch with a crank. In fact, I decompressed one of the floor models and cranked it hard, releasing one of the compression levers and she started up with a THUMPING noise......he said he was considering a small inboard. (They were planning a circumnavigation) As the months went by Lyle and I would drive over to visit them and hang around for lunch. Soon they decided to install a large wooden Bathtub under the cockpit instead of that Diesel...lol... After the launching party in October 1983 at Newport Beach, Lyle and I were invited over for lunch on Taleisin. I have to admitt that bathtub looked comfortable; and they used it for storage at sea. They did have a outboard on a dinghy to push or tow Taleisin around if they got stuck. One thing about Lin and Larry: They were never in a hurry. They were already home. Bob
From: tjenk@gte.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:48:53 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: motor size
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
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Bob, That's a great story; thanks for passing it along. I suppose I have read all of the Pardey books over the last decades, and I feel they provide a nice glimpse of the "Day of Sail". I once rented a video ("Last of Sail", I think) chronicling the remaining working sailboats throughout the world. It is amazing how people who grew up depending on the wind and sea managed to adapt to both, and thrive. I suppose that is all gone 40 years later, now that saving time is the essence. The one element most of the small working boats had for a pinch was the oar, which is not a feature of most small sailboats today. I sailed my Potter 14 without a motor for 30 years, but 3 or times I was able to launch in a dead calm because I had oarlocks and could row to the slip. Oops, a bit off topic, I suspect. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Bob From California wrote:
Tom....
Back in 1982 I was drunk sitting in a hot-tube with Lin and Larry and several other folks that I forget now; this was at Lake Elsinore where Larry/Lin were building Taleisin their new Lyle Hess designed 30 footer. Larry was building her in a shed, no electricity, just a generator that he ran when he needed the table saw.
The subject was whether Taleisin would have an inboard Diesel or not. When Larry had stopped by my Shop in Laguna Hills once I had several engines on the floor; I spent some time
explaining how they could be hand started in a pinch with a crank. In fact, I decompressed one of the floor models and cranked it hard, releasing one of the compression levers and she started up with a THUMPING noise......he said he was considering a small inboard.
(They were planning a circumnavigation)
As the months went by Lyle and I would drive over to visit them and hang around for lunch.
Soon they decided to install a large wooden Bathtub under the cockpit instead of that Diesel...lol...
After the launching party in October 1983 at Newport Beach, Lyle and I were invited over for lunch on Taleisin. I have to admitt that bathtub looked comfortable; and they used it for storage at sea.
They did have a outboard on a dinghy to push or tow Taleisin around if they got stuck.
One thing about Lin and Larry: They were never in a hurry. They were already home.
Bob
From: tjenk@gte.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:48:53 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: motor size
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
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Good point, Tom ⎈--Gary ☺ On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
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Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine with the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
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Unless someone rear ends you. It happened to me and the ins co depreciated I got almost nothing out of it. Eldor -----Original Message----- From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010 2:59 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: motor size Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine ith the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn hings up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching he boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
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Busca got rear-ended once. I was sure glad I hadn't left the motor on the mount! Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Unless someone rear ends you. It happened to me and the ins co depreciated I got almost nothing out of it. Eldor
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Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine ith the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
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What is with these guys ramming Montgomerys? Are they trying to get a closer look? An M-boat on a trailer is not exactly invisible. On Mar 20, 2010, at 5:32 PM, <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Busca got rear-ended once. I was sure glad I hadn't left the motor on the mount!
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Unless someone rear ends you. It happened to me and the ins co depreciated I got almost nothing out of it. Eldor
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Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine ith the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
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Eldor, Didn't your motor sacrifice itself to save the gel coat? Did the motor exact a fitting revenge on the guy's hood? Now I will have to fit a removable array of steel spikes on the stern, or just suck it up and carry the motor to the truck. Tom On Mar 20, 2010, at 5:28 PM, eisenee@aol.com wrote:
Unless someone rear ends you. It happened to me and the ins co depreciated I got almost nothing out of it. Eldor
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Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine ith the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds. --Gary Hyde 005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
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Gary, Thanks for bringing this up; I assume you do it routinely. I think Bob has said before that the transom is plenty strong for road work, and I think it doesn't hurt to get some weight aft of the axle. My 5 hp Honda weighs 61 lbs, and the current Yamaha 4 and 6 hp units have crept up to 60 (according to their website), so they are all pretty comparable. I agree about the alternator for charging; although the Honda alternator has three times the output of your solar array, and the Yamaha 6x, they would only pay off on a motor skiff that is run frequently for extended periods. The ratings are at W.O.T (which I assume means wide open throttle), and RPM that high is not recommended for runs long enough to bring a significantly discharged battery up to full capacity. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Mar 20, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Gary M Hyde wrote:
Just leave the motor mounted on the motor bracket for trailering. It works fine with the Yamaha 4hp 4 stoke, which weighs about 58 pounds.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
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