Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings. Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
I think you have it backwards- vinylester is supposed to be considerably better than the old polyester in regards to blistering, in fact some builders use vinylester only on the first lamination (because of cost) to ward off blistering. On the Sage 17 we use it on the whole boat because it's considerably stronger and gives a good safety factor. In our opinion, the advantages justify the cost. We intend to use it in the upcoming Sage 15 (Sage Cat) for the same reason. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: M_Boats: Projects
Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings.
Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
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Well, what do you know, my brain has gotten it backwards....again. Good luck with your new craft. Fairwinds, Tom Buzzi Mont.17 #258 On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:27 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
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I think you have it backwards- vinylester is supposed to be considerably better than the old polyester in regards to blistering, in fact some builders use vinylester only on the first lamination (because of cost) to ward off blistering. On the Sage 17 we use it on the whole boat because it's considerably stronger and gives a good safety factor. In our opinion, the advantages justify the cost. We intend to use it in the upcoming Sage 15 (Sage Cat) for the same reason.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:10 AM Subject: M_Boats: Projects
Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr,
about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings.
Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
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I've used a sheet of 1/8 inch thick aluminum I've had kicking around my shop for years to fashion backing plates. It can be shaped if necessary, is not as clunky inside as wood or other thick materials, and one doesn't have to use long fasteners. The only downside is the plate can't be easily put to other uses, such as mounting a little eye strap for an interior attachment point (other than using the through bolts themselves). Not as fancy as stainless, but cheap, strong and pretty easily worked. t t _/\_ On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings.
Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
I have used quarter inch aluminum and planned to do so again when Capt. Pauley brought up the point in his article that ss. when in contact with aluminum corrodes the aluminum in the presence of moisture. I have had good luck with the aluminum so I may go back to it anyway since I do have a good supply of that scrap material on hand. It cuts likes butter with a carbide blade. Tom B On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used a sheet of 1/8 inch thick aluminum I've had kicking around my shop for years to fashion backing plates. It can be shaped if necessary, is not as clunky inside as wood or other thick materials, and one doesn't have to use long fasteners.
The only downside is the plate can't be easily put to other uses, such as mounting a little eye strap for an interior attachment point (other than using the through bolts themselves).
Not as fancy as stainless, but cheap, strong and pretty easily worked. t
t _/\_
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings.
Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
About back up plates. Many folks have used aluminum for back ups for years and it's a viable way to go but if near salt, and IMHO all boats should be built for salt , aluminum doesn't age well anywhere where atmospheric moisture, dirt and lack of maintenance can occur (that would never happen on a boat). G-10 was mentioned earlier and is the ultimate back up material but it's made to a way higher standard then the rest of the boat and therefor comes at a higher price then needed. It's good enough for fastening backups on on a B-787 and pressed at 1000 PSI in heat cured epoxy. So places like Mc Master Carr have other pressure set glass products made at around 200 PSI that's way good for what we need and is about 1/3 the cost....... tan ________________________________ From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Projects I have used quarter inch aluminum and planned to do so again when Capt. Pauley brought up the point in his article that ss. when in contact with aluminum corrodes the aluminum in the presence of moisture. I have had good luck with the aluminum so I may go back to it anyway since I do have a good supply of that scrap material on hand. It cuts likes butter with a carbide blade. Tom B On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used a sheet of 1/8 inch thick aluminum I've had kicking around my shop for years to fashion backing plates. It can be shaped if necessary, is not as clunky inside as wood or other thick materials, and one doesn't have to use long fasteners.
The only downside is the plate can't be easily put to other uses, such as mounting a little eye strap for an interior attachment point (other than using the through bolts themselves).
Not as fancy as stainless, but cheap, strong and pretty easily worked. t
t _/\_
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Was reading one of Capt'n Pauley's columns, Small Craft Advisor, Mar/Apr, about using the proper materials for backing plates. Facing having to redo all my deck cleats and adding a couple I initially brushed off this article as having "been there, done that" but I am glad I read it because he mentioned his choice of backing plate material which was"G-10" fiberglass boards. They are solid fiberglass build up in board form and make excellent backing plates not being subject to corrosion, or rot, etc. Looking on the web for the material turned up "Wholesale Marine" which just happen to have an analagous material on sale at the moment. Jamestown disbributors also sells this material in 2x3 or 3x6 precut blanks which allow you to spend just enough for the material precut. Nice to know there is an industry out there built around catering to boatowner needs. Jerry, I also read where you are going to use vinylester fiberglass in your new 15'er. I had an S2 at one time and the bane of those hulls was blistering which was blamed on the vinylester resins used in the layup. Has something changed along this line of reasoning? My old boat had almost terminal blisters even with constant maintenance of bottom coatings.
Fair winds, Tom B Mont 17, #258
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