Fascinating. Any chance of a picture? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: IDCLLC@aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo! Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 10/29/2003 9:09:23 PM Central Standard Time, mazemusic@yahoo.com writes: Wouldn't this be really hard on the rudder gudgeons and pintles as well as the pivoting rudder points? I am going to try to "paddle" my M-15 this weekend with a long canoe paddle and the rudder tied off. I have a short channel(about 30 yards) out of the marina with about 6 or 8 seaplane wings sticking out into the channel. Very narrow clearance but I think I can make it. Wish me luck! -Rusty