Tom, Dick Newick has just been given a commission by the King of Tonga to design a 50' Trimaran to work as a freighter between the islands. Fuel is expensive and there are many islands. The King is trying to improve the inter island activity and trade. Prevailing winds would keep the boat on a beam reach going north or south. 5,000# payload. Cat Ketch with unstayed rigs. Called "Island Friend". I've also heard talk of adding wings to freighters. Maybe the "new day" of sail is just beginning. I personally think that "Pocket Cruisers" will have an interest growth over the next 10 years. sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 3/20/2010 11:20:06 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tjenk@gte.net writes: Bob, That's a great story; thanks for passing it along. I suppose I have read all of the Pardey books over the last decades, and I feel they provide a nice glimpse of the "Day of Sail". I once rented a video ("Last of Sail", I think) chronicling the remaining working sailboats throughout the world. It is amazing how people who grew up depending on the wind and sea managed to adapt to both, and thrive. I suppose that is all gone 40 years later, now that saving time is the essence. The one element most of the small working boats had for a pinch was the oar, which is not a feature of most small sailboats today. I sailed my Potter 14 without a motor for 30 years, but 3 or times I was able to launch in a dead calm because I had oarlocks and could row to the slip. Oops, a bit off topic, I suspect. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Bob From California wrote:
Tom....
Back in 1982 I was drunk sitting in a hot-tube with Lin and Larry and several other folks that I forget now; this was at Lake Elsinore where Larry/Lin were building Taleisin their new Lyle Hess designed 30 footer. Larry was building her in a shed, no electricity, just a generator that he ran when he needed the table saw.
The subject was whether Taleisin would have an inboard Diesel or not. When Larry had stopped by my Shop in Laguna Hills once I had several engines on the floor; I spent some time
explaining how they could be hand started in a pinch with a crank. In fact, I decompressed one of the floor models and cranked it hard, releasing one of the compression levers and she started up with a THUMPING noise......he said he was considering a small inboard.
(They were planning a circumnavigation)
As the months went by Lyle and I would drive over to visit them and hang around for lunch.
Soon they decided to install a large wooden Bathtub under the cockpit instead of that Diesel...lol...
After the launching party in October 1983 at Newport Beach, Lyle and I were invited over for lunch on Taleisin. I have to admitt that bathtub looked comfortable; and they used it for storage at sea.
They did have a outboard on a dinghy to push or tow Taleisin around if they got stuck.
One thing about Lin and Larry: They were never in a hurry. They were already home.
Bob
From: tjenk@gte.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:48:53 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: motor size
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
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Sal, Just speculation, but I think that 100 years from now working sail will indeed be back--of necessity--and I hope that the distinctive designs that evolved over some thousands of years will not have to be re-invented. Fortunately, there are museums in the so-called developed world that have preserved some of their technology (if not the building and operating skills), but I fear that much will be lost in less developed areas where the boats will be pulled on shore to rot, or burned for firewood. Kudos to Lyle Hess and others who adapted some classic design elements for their craft. I seem to recall that the NS27 took some cues from Scandinavian lifeboats. Tom On Mar 20, 2010, at 11:06 AM, SALGLESSER@aol.com wrote:
Tom,
Dick Newick has just been given a commission by the King of Tonga to design a 50' Trimaran to work as a freighter between the islands. Fuel is expensive and there are many islands. The King is trying to improve the inter island activity and trade.
Prevailing winds would keep the boat on a beam reach going north or south. 5,000# payload. Cat Ketch with unstayed rigs. Called "Island Friend". I've also heard talk of adding wings to freighters. Maybe the "new day" of sail is just beginning.
I personally think that "Pocket Cruisers" will have an interest growth over the next 10 years.
sal
M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built
In a message dated 3/20/2010 11:20:06 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, tjenk@gte.net writes:
Bob, That's a great story; thanks for passing it along. I suppose I have read all of the Pardey books over the last decades, and I feel they provide a nice glimpse of the "Day of Sail". I once rented a video ("Last of Sail", I think) chronicling the remaining working sailboats throughout the world. It is amazing how people who grew up depending on the wind and sea managed to adapt to both, and thrive. I suppose that is all gone 40 years later, now that saving time is the essence. The one element most of the small working boats had for a pinch was the oar, which is not a feature of most small sailboats today. I sailed my Potter 14 without a motor for 30 years, but 3 or times I was able to launch in a dead calm because I had oarlocks and could row to the slip. Oops, a bit off topic, I suspect. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
On Mar 19, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Bob From California wrote:
Tom....
Back in 1982 I was drunk sitting in a hot-tube with Lin and Larry and several other folks that I forget now; this was at Lake Elsinore where Larry/Lin were building Taleisin their new Lyle Hess designed 30 footer. Larry was building her in a shed, no electricity, just a generator that he ran when he needed the table saw.
The subject was whether Taleisin would have an inboard Diesel or not. When Larry had stopped by my Shop in Laguna Hills once I had several engines on the floor; I spent some time
explaining how they could be hand started in a pinch with a crank. In fact, I decompressed one of the floor models and cranked it hard, releasing one of the compression levers and she started up with a THUMPING noise......he said he was considering a small inboard.
(They were planning a circumnavigation)
As the months went by Lyle and I would drive over to visit them and hang around for lunch.
Soon they decided to install a large wooden Bathtub under the cockpit instead of that Diesel...lol...
After the launching party in October 1983 at Newport Beach, Lyle and I were invited over for lunch on Taleisin. I have to admitt that bathtub looked comfortable; and they used it for storage at sea.
They did have a outboard on a dinghy to push or tow Taleisin around if they got stuck.
One thing about Lin and Larry: They were never in a hurry. They were already home.
Bob
From: tjenk@gte.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:48:53 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: motor size
I love sailors who hold onto their beloved craft even when a powerboat would be more practical. I hesitate to mention it, but there are the Pardeys who went darn near everywhere in the world without a motor (except transiting the Panama Canal), and seemed to enjoy doing it. They even did the dreaded Puget Sound (currents, fluky winds) and the feared Sea of Cortez (fluky winds); more patient than I am, I guess. Tom Jenkins
On Mar 19, 2010, at 2:59 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
there is a potter 15 doing a mississippi river trip that has done exactly that ... to have the extra horse power in 'mighty MO's' current.
two Honda 2's weigh less than most 4-6 HP motors.
still ... having two motors to refill of the transom every 45 minutes is NOT 'double the fun'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Fri, 3/19/10, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Folks, I think the main problem with the weight of outboards is lifting the darn things up to the mount, a not inconsiderable task for some. How about ditching the boarding ladder, throwing on another motor mount, and running twin 2's?
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla (5 hp Honda)
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