To the person who enquired about the rudder hole (sorry, I deleted the message) On my 1989 M17 the center of the hole is: 24" below the top of the rudder 2 5/8" aft of the forward face, and is 1 1/4" in diameter. Hope this helps. -Peter- ======================= Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin" Victoria BC Canada 'The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in sailing.' -- Anonymous