Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
😄 On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:21 AM , <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
Wheatley is mostly right- initially, dealers wanted a galley, but I've never used the sink as a sink. Good storage under, and a great place to put the winch handles. All the 17's were made this way for the first two or three hundred boats, then a couple of dealers in Texas, who were selling lots of boats and were therefore important, talked me into eliminating the galley and replacing it with another quarter berth. That was an option for a few years, but it had drawbacks, with the important one being the elimination of under-cockpit storage. The only good thing was important; the fwd part of the berth was a good place to sit, and made the seating arrangement much better for those who spend time below.. The quarterberths are really too small on the 17 except for really skinny people and kids, and I never liked that version. One day a guy walked into the shop, looked things over, and asked if we could build him a boat with the fwd part of the port berth in place as a place to sit, but cut off the part under the cockpit and use it for storage. Bingo! I like to think that I come up with all the good ideas, but maybe this time only, I was wrong. One of these things that seems really simple but took some thinking to come up with, like E=MC squared. It worked so well that I tooled a new mold for it and threw away the tooling for the two earlier versions. I've done all my cruising in warm weather, mostly in Mexico, where I do everything in the cockpit under a boom awning, and the area below is necessary only for stowage, and this influences my thinking. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:29 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Use of the Galley 😄 On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 9:21 AM , <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
On 07/12/2018 11:38 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: ...
One day a guy walked into the shop, looked things over, and asked if we could build him a boat with the fwd part of the port berth in place as a place to sit, but cut off the part under the cockpit and use it for storage. Bingo! I like to think that I come up with all the good ideas, but maybe this time only, I was wrong.
That's basically what I have been thinking to do with mine, so not a surprise someone else thought about it years ago. He just beat you to it Jerry, you would have thought of it eventually ;-) Since I'm tall I'll make the port "seat" a bit lower than the stbd quarter berth height so I can not bump the ceiling even with some cushion under my butt. And a backrest as well. Where the existing 'galley' molding is aft of the seat will be some kind of storage. I've thought about building in a small cooler. Aft of that I want to keep open for storage, as it is now, at least for the lower part of the area where open space length is good to slide in oars, boathooks, etc.
I've done all my cruising in warm weather, mostly in Mexico, where I do everything in the cockpit under a boom awning, and the area below is necessary only for stowage, and this influences my thinking.
Makes sense...I hope to do some of that kind of warm weather cruising but sometimes I'll also be in the northwest, where it's nice to be able to hunker down in 'adequate comfort' below for a little while. Care to share your design for M17 boom awning? cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I had the sailmaker make up a 7X7 tarp of acrylan with a grommet in each corner, then used two whisker poles to go in front and back, and a line off each corner. it can be set up with the poles either over or under the boom, and can easily be canted either way to dodge the sun by adjusting the corner lines, which go down to the rails. I learned this from some of my cruising buddies in Tucson, who sail in Mexico. Even more proof that I know how to listen, despite what some say. A 6X6 tarp works well on the 15. When sailing I roll everything up together and lash it to the toe rail. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:06 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Use of the Galley On 07/12/2018 11:38 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: ...
One day a guy walked into the shop, looked things over, and asked if we could build him a boat with the fwd part of the port berth in place as a place to sit, but cut off the part under the cockpit and use it for storage. Bingo! I like to think that I come up with all the good ideas, but maybe this time only, I was wrong.
That's basically what I have been thinking to do with mine, so not a surprise someone else thought about it years ago. He just beat you to it Jerry, you would have thought of it eventually ;-) Since I'm tall I'll make the port "seat" a bit lower than the stbd quarter berth height so I can not bump the ceiling even with some cushion under my butt. And a backrest as well. Where the existing 'galley' molding is aft of the seat will be some kind of storage. I've thought about building in a small cooler. Aft of that I want to keep open for storage, as it is now, at least for the lower part of the area where open space length is good to slide in oars, boathooks, etc.
I've done all my cruising in warm weather, mostly in Mexico, where I do everything in the cockpit under a boom awning, and the area below is necessary only for stowage, and this influences my thinking.
Makes sense...I hope to do some of that kind of warm weather cruising but sometimes I'll also be in the northwest, where it's nice to be able to hunker down in 'adequate comfort' below for a little while. Care to share your design for M17 boom awning? cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I've used the galley a lot on SWEET PEA over the past 11 weeks as I'm living aboard. The sink is really to small. Challenge to wash dishes though it is fine to spitting when brushing teeth (I do this when in harbor as folks look at you with negative eyes - even though their graywater is going to the same place just via a sink!). As said already it is great for holding winch handles, cell phones, keys. The flat location will work for a small stove. A thing to be very careful with if used as fire in a VERY SMALL space can get very QUICKLY!! I've cooked inside a fair amount like when it is raining or very windy. When it is hot or cooking oderous things, say seafood, in the cabin causes it's own issues of smell and heat and the cockpit is best. Cooking 'humid' things, say pasta, also is a problem as you make the cabin VERY damp. Be very aware of CO in a confined space! For me if it the galley wasn't there all would be good as I would just cook the cockpit, or in a pinch cook on one of the 1/4-berth 'seats'. This is how I did it on my M15, the Sage 17 and the Sage 15. For space, as Jerry wrote, the double 1/4-berth, or non-quarterberth like on the Sages, is much better for having storage space in both cabin and cockpit along with two seats for two people. The galley model is a one person cruiser as there is only one cabin seat. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:44 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I had the sailmaker make up a 7X7 tarp of acrylan with a grommet in each corner, then used two whisker poles to go in front and back, and a line off each corner. it can be set up with the poles either over or under the boom, and can easily be canted either way to dodge the sun by adjusting the corner lines, which go down to the rails. I learned this from some of my cruising buddies in Tucson, who sail in Mexico. Even more proof that I know how to listen, despite what some say. A 6X6 tarp works well on the 15. When sailing I roll everything up together and lash it to the toe rail.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:06 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
On 07/12/2018 11:38 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: ...
One day a guy walked into the shop, looked things over, and asked if we could build him a boat with the fwd part of the port berth in place as a place to sit, but cut off the part under the cockpit and use it for storage. Bingo! I like to think that I come up with all the good ideas, but maybe this time only, I was wrong.
That's basically what I have been thinking to do with mine, so not a surprise someone else thought about it years ago. He just beat you to it Jerry, you would have thought of it eventually ;-)
Since I'm tall I'll make the port "seat" a bit lower than the stbd quarter berth height so I can not bump the ceiling even with some cushion under my butt. And a backrest as well. Where the existing 'galley' molding is aft of the seat will be some kind of storage. I've thought about building in a small cooler. Aft of that I want to keep open for storage, as it is now, at least for the lower part of the area where open space length is good to slide in oars, boathooks, etc.
I've done all my cruising in warm weather, mostly in Mexico, where I do everything in the cockpit under a boom awning, and the area below is necessary only for stowage, and this influences my thinking.
Makes sense...I hope to do some of that kind of warm weather cruising but sometimes I'll also be in the northwest, where it's nice to be able to hunker down in 'adequate comfort' below for a little while.
Care to share your design for M17 boom awning?
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Simple but great design idea for the boom awning Jerry, that is another item which I have been playing around with and I think you just finalized my ideas for that. And Dave, interesting that you have had quite a bit of use out of the galley space. Sounds like Jerry's final design with two seats is the best arrangement possibly with the added removable counterspace like Keith from Burnaby, BC has described. On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 3:31 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
I've used the galley a lot on SWEET PEA over the past 11 weeks as I'm living aboard.
The sink is really to small. Challenge to wash dishes though it is fine to spitting when brushing teeth (I do this when in harbor as folks look at you with negative eyes - even though their graywater is going to the same place just via a sink!). As said already it is great for holding winch handles, cell phones, keys.
The flat location will work for a small stove. A thing to be very careful with if used as fire in a VERY SMALL space can get very QUICKLY!! I've cooked inside a fair amount like when it is raining or very windy. When it is hot or cooking oderous things, say seafood, in the cabin causes it's own issues of smell and heat and the cockpit is best. Cooking 'humid' things, say pasta, also is a problem as you make the cabin VERY damp.
Be very aware of CO in a confined space!
For me if it the galley wasn't there all would be good as I would just cook the cockpit, or in a pinch cook on one of the 1/4-berth 'seats'. This is how I did it on my M15, the Sage 17 and the Sage 15.
For space, as Jerry wrote, the double 1/4-berth, or non-quarterberth like on the Sages, is much better for having storage space in both cabin and cockpit along with two seats for two people.
The galley model is a one person cruiser as there is only one cabin seat.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018, 12:44 PM <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I had the sailmaker make up a 7X7 tarp of acrylan with a grommet in each corner, then used two whisker poles to go in front and back, and a line off each corner. it can be set up with the poles either over or under the boom, and can easily be canted either way to dodge the sun by adjusting the corner lines, which go down to the rails. I learned this from some of my cruising buddies in Tucson, who sail in Mexico. Even more proof that I know how to listen, despite what some say. A 6X6 tarp works well on the 15. When sailing I roll everything up together and lash it to the toe rail.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:06 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
On 07/12/2018 11:38 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: ...
One day a guy walked into the shop, looked things over, and asked if we could build him a boat with the fwd part of the port berth in place as a place to sit, but cut off the part under the cockpit and use it for storage. Bingo! I like to think that I come up with all the good ideas, but maybe this time only, I was wrong.
That's basically what I have been thinking to do with mine, so not a surprise someone else thought about it years ago. He just beat you to it Jerry, you would have thought of it eventually ;-)
Since I'm tall I'll make the port "seat" a bit lower than the stbd quarter berth height so I can not bump the ceiling even with some cushion under my butt. And a backrest as well. Where the existing 'galley' molding is aft of the seat will be some kind of storage. I've thought about building in a small cooler. Aft of that I want to keep open for storage, as it is now, at least for the lower part of the area where open space length is good to slide in oars, boathooks, etc.
I've done all my cruising in warm weather, mostly in Mexico, where I do everything in the cockpit under a boom awning, and the area below is necessary only for stowage, and this influences my thinking.
Makes sense...I hope to do some of that kind of warm weather cruising but sometimes I'll also be in the northwest, where it's nice to be able to hunker down in 'adequate comfort' below for a little while.
Care to share your design for M17 boom awning?
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I think it was needed for class racing at the time of design
On Jul 12, 2018, at 10:20 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
Heh heh... :-) After I finish more directly sailing-related upgrades & improvements, I will be remodeling the "galley" in my M17. Still thinking about what exactly...a minor remodel would be to cut off the sink rise section and make one flat "counter-top" space and better access to the storage under. Most likely I will do something more radical with mine, removing most of that "kitchen" liner part and replacing with a comfy sitting spot, and aft of that a more accessible/modular storage system. It will include some kind of movable/stowable cooking setup for when it's nasty weather out. The M17 that was in R2AK had a fairly nice "movable galley" setup as I recall. I saw some pics somewhere but can't find 'em easily now. The M17 port cabin side was changed from galley to settee same as starboard side after some years of production, not sure when that happened exactly. cheers, John On 07/12/2018 09:20 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Interesting thread here... My M17 is a 4 berth version. I am not looking for a sink inside as I use a small basin in the cockpit. That said I am about 75% of the way through building a folding galley/map table attached to the side of the port quarter berth. I plan to skin it with a stainless work surface so it will be suitable for using my small butane stove (with the hatch fully open of course) to make fresh coffee while underway on long passages such as crossing the straight of Georgia. It also has a fold out extension to provide a decent little map table... It folds away against the side of the quarter berth for access into the stern sections of the berth as I use the stern portions of both of the quarter berths for storage... I use the starboard berth as a comfy sitting spot... I didn't get it finished this year before sailing season started but I hope to complete next winter. When I do I will post it as a technical project on the MSOG photo site Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Burnaby B.C*. Serenity M17, #353 On 12 July 2018 at 10:31, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Heh heh... :-)
After I finish more directly sailing-related upgrades & improvements, I will be remodeling the "galley" in my M17.
Still thinking about what exactly...a minor remodel would be to cut off the sink rise section and make one flat "counter-top" space and better access to the storage under.
Most likely I will do something more radical with mine, removing most of that "kitchen" liner part and replacing with a comfy sitting spot, and aft of that a more accessible/modular storage system. It will include some kind of movable/stowable cooking setup for when it's nasty weather out.
The M17 that was in R2AK had a fairly nice "movable galley" setup as I recall. I saw some pics somewhere but can't find 'em easily now.
The M17 port cabin side was changed from galley to settee same as starboard side after some years of production, not sure when that happened exactly.
cheers, John
On 07/12/2018 09:20 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
That Little Tikes play sink was put there to promote spousal approval at boat shows. On the water, it is useless except as a storage bin. Glassing over the drain hole is an upgrade.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Jason Leckie Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley
Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I pack the sink with Ice a put my beverages there.. the water drains out and they are handy. I'm going to put some insulation around the sink this fall and maybe make a lid.. At your service Larry Pegg Project 17 PO Box 393 Bayview ID 83803 208 249 0538 larrypegg@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 12, 2018 8:46 am Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
Larry- I didn't know you needed ice in Idaho! -----Original Message----- From: Larry Pegg via montgomery_boats Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:42 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Use of the Galley I pack the sink with Ice a put my beverages there.. the water drains out and they are handy. I'm going to put some insulation around the sink this fall and maybe make a lid.. At your service Larry Pegg Project 17 PO Box 393 Bayview ID 83803 208 249 0538 larrypegg@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 12, 2018 8:46 am Subject: M_Boats: Use of the Galley Just curious, does anybody actually cook in their galley or do they generally do most of it in the cockpit? As well, my sink drain and through hull fitting for the drain has been removed and the hole glassed over. Might it be worthwhile to reinstate?
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