Oh, two of these on the back of the transom ..one for the brass thing and one for this one. On Aug 10, 2016 3:27 PM, wrote: Quartermaster. ... On Aug 10, 2016 2:59 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, anchored in Quartermaster Harbor. Vashon Island, WA. Gorgeous day and a good place to study some work junk. Here's a pick inside... the brass deal is a 90 degree elbow, then a hose, double clamped and out what looks like the stock through hull... I like the setup. Was just wondering if you guys had a fancy flapper valve or something. .. On Aug 10, 2016 1:59 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote: No. As Gilasailr said, that appears to be a garboard drain plug someone has repurposed to replace the o.e. aluminum tube. Again, done well, that is a good upgrade because bronze lasts forever in a marine environment and aluminum does not. I would be interested to see photos of what was used where the drain exits the hull, and what was used to connect it all up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:37:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit drain.. Is this what you guys have?
Yeah, all of that is something a prior owner installed after the fact, which does not make it bad. Like the bronze, the plastic thru-hulls are better than the o.e. aluminum tubes, and the second drain would be very welcome if you ever took a big wave over the transom. I don't know about flappers or check valves. The o.e setup doesn't need them because the long and circuitous hose squelches any back-flow as long as the cockpit sole is above water level. -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit drain.. Oh, two of these on the back of the transom ..one for the brass thing and one for this one. On Aug 10, 2016 3:27 PM, wrote: Quartermaster. ... On Aug 10, 2016 2:59 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, anchored in Quartermaster Harbor. Vashon Island, WA. Gorgeous day and a good place to study some work junk. Here's a pick inside... the brass deal is a 90 degree elbow, then a hose, double clamped and out what looks like the stock through hull... I like the setup. Was just wondering if you guys had a fancy flapper valve or something. .. On Aug 10, 2016 1:59 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote: No. As Gilasailr said, that appears to be a garboard drain plug someone has repurposed to replace the o.e. aluminum tube. Again, done well, that is a good upgrade because bronze lasts forever in a marine environment and aluminum does not. I would be interested to see photos of what was used where the drain exits the hull, and what was used to connect it all up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:37:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit drain.. Is this what you guys have?
That reminds me, if the cockpit fills with water do we still float while it drains? Assuming companion way is closed of course.. On Aug 10, 2016 7:25 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Yeah, all of that is something a prior owner installed after the fact, which does not make it bad. Like the bronze, the plastic thru-hulls are better than the o.e. aluminum tubes, and the second drain would be very welcome if you ever took a big wave over the transom. I don't know about flappers or check valves. The o.e setup doesn't need them because the long and circuitous hose squelches any back-flow as long as the cockpit sole is above water level.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit drain..
Oh, two of these on the back of the transom ..one for the brass thing and one for this one. On Aug 10, 2016 3:27 PM, wrote:
Quartermaster. ... On Aug 10, 2016 2:59 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, anchored in Quartermaster Harbor. Vashon Island, WA. Gorgeous day and a good place to study some work junk. Here's a pick inside... the brass deal is a 90 degree elbow, then a hose, double clamped and out what looks like the stock through hull... I like the setup. Was just wondering if you guys had a fancy flapper valve or something. .. On Aug 10, 2016 1:59 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
No.
As Gilasailr said, that appears to be a garboard drain plug someone has repurposed to replace the o.e. aluminum tube. Again, done well, that is a good upgrade because bronze lasts forever in a marine environment and aluminum does not.
I would be interested to see photos of what was used where the drain exits the hull, and what was used to connect it all up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:37:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit drain..
Is this what you guys have?
Which reminds me, if the companion way is open, how does that water get out? There's no bilge to speak of.. the only way put would be through these two through hulls on my boat. On Aug 10, 2016 8:25 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
That reminds me, if the cockpit fills with water do we still float while it drains? Assuming companion way is closed of course.. On Aug 10, 2016 7:25 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Yeah, all of that is something a prior owner installed after the fact, which does not make it bad. Like the bronze, the plastic thru-hulls are better than the o.e. aluminum tubes, and the second drain would be very welcome if you ever took a big wave over the transom. I don't know about flappers or check valves. The o.e setup doesn't need them because the long and circuitous hose squelches any back-flow as long as the cockpit sole is above water level.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 6:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit drain..
Oh, two of these on the back of the transom ..one for the brass thing and one for this one. On Aug 10, 2016 3:27 PM, wrote:
Quartermaster. ... On Aug 10, 2016 2:59 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, anchored in Quartermaster Harbor. Vashon Island, WA. Gorgeous day and a good place to study some work junk. Here's a pick inside... the brass deal is a 90 degree elbow, then a hose, double clamped and out what looks like the stock through hull... I like the setup. Was just wondering if you guys had a fancy flapper valve or something. .. On Aug 10, 2016 1:59 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
No.
As Gilasailr said, that appears to be a garboard drain plug someone has repurposed to replace the o.e. aluminum tube. Again, done well, that is a good upgrade because bronze lasts forever in a marine environment and aluminum does not.
I would be interested to see photos of what was used where the drain exits the hull, and what was used to connect it all up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 2:37:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit drain..
Is this what you guys have?
On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Which reminds me, if the companion way is open, how does that water get out? There's no bilge to speak of.. the only way put would be through these two through hulls on my boat.
Bilge pump. You have one, right? I should leave this for the more experienced folks to answer, but I can't resist repeating a saying I heard. "There is no bilge pump more effective than a highly motivated sailor."
Unless it's somewhere really strange there's no bilge pump. There's no bilge really, it seems the cabin sole just runs to the transom? On Aug 10, 2016 8:49 PM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Which reminds me, if the companion way is open, how does that water get out? There's no bilge to speak of.. the only way put would be through these two through hulls on my boat.
Bilge pump. You have one, right?
I should leave this for the more experienced folks to answer, but I can't resist repeating a saying I heard. "There is no bilge pump more effective than a highly motivated sailor."
Some M17s have a small bilge just aft of the centerboard trunk (i call it a 'bilge-let'). Others do not. In general i find the older M17s (ie, the ones with the original deck design) don't have a bilge ... though i've run across some 'new deck' M17s without a bilge-let. i recommend the intake for a bilge pump to be placed just aft of the cenberboard truck; bilge-let or no bilge-let. for a pump i recommend a manual Whale Urchin Pump U/D w/Deckplate removable handle (WHL BP-9013). locate the pump in the aft end of the cockpit so a person single handing can pump and remain at the helm (see picture attached). the exit for the pump should be high up on the transom (see picture attached). make sure the hose has a loop higher than the thru-transom mushroom fitting to discourage water from backfilling into the boat. if more detail wanted let me know. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless it's somewhere really strange there's no bilge pump. There's no bilge really, it seems the cabin sole just runs to the transom? On Aug 10, 2016 8:49 PM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Which reminds me, if the companion way is open, how does that water get out? There's no bilge to speak of.. the only way put would be through these two through hulls on my boat.
Bilge pump. You have one, right?
I should leave this for the more experienced folks to answer, but I can't resist repeating a saying I heard. "There is no bilge pump more effective than a highly motivated sailor."
My baby, "bilgelet" was just the place for a bilge pump which hopefully I will never need. On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:01 PM, David Rifkind <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
On Aug 11, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Some M17s have a small bilge just aft of the centerboard trunk (i call it a 'bilge-let').
I have one of those. I thought it was a place to lose dropped tools.
On Aug 11, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless it's somewhere really strange there's no bilge pump. There's no bilge really, it seems the cabin sole just runs to the transom?
I was thinking of a stirrup pump, one of things sort of like a bicycle pump. Or a bucket. You pump from the cabin into the cockpit and let it drain from there. If you're so swamped the cockpit won't drain you probably start there and pump over the side. There are little electric pumps like aquarium pumps but I think they're more for convenience than for saving your butt, and what do you do when the battery is underwater? You're right, I think, about the bilge. There's a little space below the cabin floor but it is sealed, air and watertight. On second thought, if the cockpit won't drain then the drains are underwater and you're probably sunk. Pardon the expression.
Hahaha, I will check out the bilge - let next time I'm out! On Aug 11, 2016 9:56 AM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
On Aug 11, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Unless it's somewhere really strange there's no bilge pump. There's no bilge really, it seems the cabin sole just runs to the transom?
I was thinking of a stirrup pump, one of things sort of like a bicycle pump. Or a bucket. You pump from the cabin into the cockpit and let it drain from there. If you're so swamped the cockpit won't drain you probably start there and pump over the side.
There are little electric pumps like aquarium pumps but I think they're more for convenience than for saving your butt, and what do you do when the battery is underwater?
You're right, I think, about the bilge. There's a little space below the cabin floor but it is sealed, air and watertight.
On second thought, if the cockpit won't drain then the drains are underwater and you're probably sunk. Pardon the expression.
On Aug 10, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
That reminds me, if the cockpit fills with water do we still float while it drains? Assuming companion way is closed of course..
Look at the height of the cockpit sole (or the companionway rim) above the waterline. Look at how much that part of the boat displaces. That's how much water you need to swamp the boat, and it's a lot more than the cockpit holds. Of course, if the cockpit fills up, I doubt you can count on the hatch boards to keep the cabin dry. Eight pounds a gallon, you know.
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