Bruce, You are welcome, and are more than welcome to come by my boat and install one in #316 if you have the the time! LOL. Refurbishing my oars for the arrival of the 6-8. GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)