Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com anyone ever heard of these before? Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls. -Neil
On 27-Sep-12 2:57 PM, Neil Dorf wrote: Hi Neil, Thanks for the information. At 20 lbs it sure would tempt me to use it as an engine for an M15. Mitsubishi built the engines, so that should be a confidence builder. I'd like to see one in the flesh. If the motor head is cowled, protecting the ignition from water (fresh / salt) spray I'd be mighty tempted..... Connie
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... http://www.smalloutboardengines.com anyone ever heard of these before? Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls. -Neil
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise". Use it but don't tell Chicken Little! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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We Monty sailors are a lawless bunch... Jimmy "The Greek" M17 "Spirit. On Sep 27, 2012, at 2:48 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise".
Use it but don't tell Chicken Little!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws.
Jim M17 "Spirit"
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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I like it! Todd -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry montgomery Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... 3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise". Use it but don't tell Chicken Little! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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On 27-Sep-12 5:48 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: Hi Jerry, That is why I have switched to driving a diesel powered car. Smart lawyer/politicians figured out that they can get far more votes by mixing 10% ethanol in good gasoline (15% tomorrow). Ethanol is great for drinking as booze, but is a lousy fuel - it has far fewer Btu's than does the same amount of gasoline. However, from the politician's viewpoint it is ideal. You, the public, have to burn much more fuel to go the same number of miles as you did with straight gasoline. You have to refuel more often; that means that they get more gasoline taxes (10% more). For politicians it's a win-win situation: they get more votes and more taxes. When I recognized that, I said enough of that Washington horse-shit. I bought a diesel powered car. Now I get about 300 miles on half a tank of fuel ( compared to 135 miles with 10% ethanol). Diesel fuel costs me about $0.20 more per gallon, but since I am going twice as far on a gallon, I'm way ahead of the game. .... and the clever lawyer/politicians can't dilute my diesel fuel because the whole USA transportation system would come to a screeching stop. The name of the game, as always, still is defeat the conniving bastards. Connie
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise".
Use it but don't tell Chicken Little!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws.
Jim M17 "Spirit"
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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Go Connie!! Booyah Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Conbert Benneck To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:25 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... On 27-Sep-12 5:48 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: Hi Jerry, That is why I have switched to driving a diesel powered car. Smart lawyer/politicians figured out that they can get far more votes by mixing 10% ethanol in good gasoline (15% tomorrow). Ethanol is great for drinking as booze, but is a lousy fuel - it has far fewer Btu's than does the same amount of gasoline. However, from the politician's viewpoint it is ideal. You, the public, have to burn much more fuel to go the same number of miles as you did with straight gasoline. You have to refuel more often; that means that they get more gasoline taxes (10% more). For politicians it's a win-win situation: they get more votes and more taxes. When I recognized that, I said enough of that Washington horse-shit. I bought a diesel powered car. Now I get about 300 miles on half a tank of fuel ( compared to 135 miles with 10% ethanol). Diesel fuel costs me about $0.20 more per gallon, but since I am going twice as far on a gallon, I'm way ahead of the game. .... and the clever lawyer/politicians can't dilute my diesel fuel because the whole USA transportation system would come to a screeching stop. The name of the game, as always, still is defeat the conniving bastards. Connie
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise".
Use it but don't tell Chicken Little!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws.
Jim M17 "Spirit"
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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Connie, don't give Jerry any ideas, or we might some day see a VolksWrinkle design forthcoming! Cram a Yannie into a Sage... nah! hehehe :-) On 09/27/2012 05:58 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Go Connie!! Booyah Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Conbert Benneck To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:25 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
On 27-Sep-12 5:48 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Hi Jerry,
That is why I have switched to driving a diesel powered car.
Smart lawyer/politicians figured out that they can get far more votes by mixing 10% ethanol in good gasoline (15% tomorrow).
Ethanol is great for drinking as booze, but is a lousy fuel - it has far fewer Btu's than does the same amount of gasoline.
However, from the politician's viewpoint it is ideal. You, the public, have to burn much more fuel to go the same number of miles as you did with straight gasoline. You have to refuel more often; that means that they get more gasoline taxes (10% more). For politicians it's a win-win situation: they get more votes and more taxes.
When I recognized that, I said enough of that Washington horse-shit. I bought a diesel powered car.
Now I get about 300 miles on half a tank of fuel ( compared to 135 miles with 10% ethanol). Diesel fuel costs me about $0.20 more per gallon, but since I am going twice as far on a gallon, I'm way ahead of the game.
.... and the clever lawyer/politicians can't dilute my diesel fuel because the whole USA transportation system would come to a screeching stop.
The name of the game, as always, still is defeat the conniving bastards.
Connie
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise".
Use it but don't tell Chicken Little!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws.
Jim M17 "Spirit"
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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I'm working on a new design for a 12 ft motorsailor- it's got a really pinched-in stern and I'm going to use one of them little aircraft engines they use on ultralight airplanes and not only will it plane the boat, with or without sails, but you can throttle up the engine and it'll help going down the highway, especially going up hills! Roger McGregor stand back! I may be stupid, but not REAL stupid. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Dorf" <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
Connie, don't give Jerry any ideas, or we might some day see a VolksWrinkle design forthcoming! Cram a Yannie into a Sage... nah!
hehehe
:-)
On 09/27/2012 05:58 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Go Connie!! Booyah Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Conbert Benneck To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:25 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
On 27-Sep-12 5:48 PM, jerry montgomery wrote:
Hi Jerry,
That is why I have switched to driving a diesel powered car.
Smart lawyer/politicians figured out that they can get far more votes by mixing 10% ethanol in good gasoline (15% tomorrow).
Ethanol is great for drinking as booze, but is a lousy fuel - it has far fewer Btu's than does the same amount of gasoline.
However, from the politician's viewpoint it is ideal. You, the public, have to burn much more fuel to go the same number of miles as you did with straight gasoline. You have to refuel more often; that means that they get more gasoline taxes (10% more). For politicians it's a win-win situation: they get more votes and more taxes.
When I recognized that, I said enough of that Washington horse-shit. I bought a diesel powered car.
Now I get about 300 miles on half a tank of fuel ( compared to 135 miles with 10% ethanol). Diesel fuel costs me about $0.20 more per gallon, but since I am going twice as far on a gallon, I'm way ahead of the game.
.... and the clever lawyer/politicians can't dilute my diesel fuel because the whole USA transportation system would come to a screeching stop.
The name of the game, as always, still is defeat the conniving bastards.
Connie
3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise".
Use it but don't tell Chicken Little!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws.
Jim M17 "Spirit"
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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Crank it up!! Stink it up!! JOe ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry montgomery To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... 3,000 yrs ago Solon the Greek said "laws are for the obedience of the masses and for the guidence of the wise". Use it but don't tell Chicken Little! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Poulakis" <picfo@comcast.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards.... I still have my old 1968 black tank Seagull (10:1 oil) sitting in my boat shed. It runs, but it's mostly around for ambiance since simply starting it breaks a handful of federal environmental laws. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Those are pretty cool looking. And only 20#!! If it could push a Monty you could tow a dinghy and use it for that as well. I had a British SeaGull 40plus. It was rated at, I think, 2 hp. I used it for my dinghy and it was bullet proof. I also put it on a 12' aluminum jon boat and got about 3kts. I also used it on a friends 10' dinghy to bridle up to his 39' wooden Danish ketch to move it to the haul out. It actually pushed that 7 ton beast with ease. It was all torque. I would have used it on my M17 but it got stolen out of my daughter's driveway. She said it was so ugly ....who'd steal it. I told her anyone that knows what they are. Like someone said here, it looked like a weedeater with a prop. I loved it. It reminded me so much of my VW bug. Engineering simplicity. Sure, it was noisy, smelly, and with a ratio of 25:1 (or maybe 40:1) it made it easy to follow with the slick. But other than that..... Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Dorf To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:57 PM Subject: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....
http://www.smalloutboardengines.com
anyone ever heard of these before?
Air cooled, but they as small as the Seagulls.
-Neil
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Aloha, Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that. I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that. If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-) thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
The only solutions I can think of are the obvious; restricted fuel line, tank vent not open enough, choke on, etc. For what it's worth, my Seagull also has one speed: full throttle. Anything less tends to foul the plug. The good news is that 1) a Seagull can run all day, every day, for decades, at full throttle. 2) "full throttle" means you're rocketing along at a blinding 3 knots. On Sep 27, 2012, at 3:13 PM, John Schinnerer wrote:
Aloha,
Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that.
I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that.
If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-)
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
On 27-Sep-12 6:13 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: Hi John, Seagull engines run on about a 20:1 gas to oil ratio. If the engine hasn't been run for awhile, there is a very good possibility that the evaporating gasoline left a caking of oil gunk in the main carburetor jet, which would make it smaller i n diameter. Then as you open the throttle, the required fuel for running the engine under load is not available; the clogged jet has become a restriction. I suggest cleaning the carburetor; and while you're at it, also clean the fuel tank as well. You'd be amazed at what you might find in a dirty fuel tank: water; dirt; oil-gel; or other crud that has no business being in a fuel tank. As I recall, the Seagull carburetor is very simple. Squirting some carburetor cleaner into the carburetor might partially do the trick, but my druthers would be to totally disassemble the carburetor; clean all the passages; orifices; jets; and the float chamber with fuel valve; so you know that everything is clean and in order; and then reassemble it again. Now you "Know" that it is clean. . If there was year-old fuel/oil mixture in the fuel tank; dump it and start again with clean fresh fuel, which you should do when you are cleaning the fuel tank (and today's fuel with 10% ethanol may not be kind to an old Seagull engine). The fuel hose may not "like" the 10% ethanol added of today's fuel, and will get soft and squishy with time. The beauty of a Seagull is that you can do a complete overhaul of the engine in the cockpit of your sailboat. Just remember you will need some _*Whitworth wrenches*_ to work on it. (available from Snap on, or other large mechanic's tool company - maybe even from SEARS). SAE wrenches don't fit Whitworth bolts, and metric wrenches don't work either. Connie
Aloha,
Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that.
I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that.
If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-)
thanks, John S.
Thanks for this and also to all others who have offered Seagull advice...I've forwarded it all to my friend with the idle-only problem. cheers, John S. On 09/28/2012 11:49 AM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 27-Sep-12 6:13 PM, John Schinnerer wrote:
Hi John,
Seagull engines run on about a 20:1 gas to oil ratio.
If the engine hasn't been run for awhile, there is a very good possibility that the evaporating gasoline left a caking of oil gunk in the main carburetor jet, which would make it smaller i n diameter. Then as you open the throttle, the required fuel for running the engine under load is not available; the clogged jet has become a restriction.
I suggest cleaning the carburetor; and while you're at it, also clean the fuel tank as well. You'd be amazed at what you might find in a dirty fuel tank: water; dirt; oil-gel; or other crud that has no business being in a fuel tank.
As I recall, the Seagull carburetor is very simple. Squirting some carburetor cleaner into the carburetor might partially do the trick, but my druthers would be to totally disassemble the carburetor; clean all the passages; orifices; jets; and the float chamber with fuel valve; so you know that everything is clean and in order; and then reassemble it again. Now you "Know" that it is clean. . If there was year-old fuel/oil mixture in the fuel tank; dump it and start again with clean fresh fuel, which you should do when you are cleaning the fuel tank (and today's fuel with 10% ethanol may not be kind to an old Seagull engine). The fuel hose may not "like" the 10% ethanol added of today's fuel, and will get soft and squishy with time.
The beauty of a Seagull is that you can do a complete overhaul of the engine in the cockpit of your sailboat. Just remember you will need some _*Whitworth wrenches*_ to work on it. (available from Snap on, or other large mechanic's tool company - maybe even from SEARS). SAE wrenches don't fit Whitworth bolts, and metric wrenches don't work either.
Connie
Aloha,
Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that.
I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that.
If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-)
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net
I had similar problems with my SG. The little filter in the tank disentegrated so it served no purpose. I cleaned the the carb and replaced the fuel line. I put in a small barrel fuel filter and within seconds it was full of black chips. I checked the tank and it was nasty. If you have a steel tank you are bound to have rust. Mine was all dark rusty brown. Yours is probably the same. Don't panic. You can bring it back to life very easily. Pour a half a bottle of Naval Jelly in the tank. Add a handfull of 1/2 square nuts and bolts and shake shake shake. Leave it right side up for a few hours to let the gel do its work. Then shake it up some more and turn it over for a while. Repeat as necessary. Then just empty it out and rinse with clean gas a few times. Getting the last few nuts is fun.. The inside will look like a mirror. Have fun.. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Conbert Benneck To: john@eco-living.net ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 2:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Talk about tiny outboards....seagull advice? On 27-Sep-12 6:13 PM, John Schinnerer wrote: Hi John, Seagull engines run on about a 20:1 gas to oil ratio. If the engine hasn't been run for awhile, there is a very good possibility that the evaporating gasoline left a caking of oil gunk in the main carburetor jet, which would make it smaller i n diameter. Then as you open the throttle, the required fuel for running the engine under load is not available; the clogged jet has become a restriction. I suggest cleaning the carburetor; and while you're at it, also clean the fuel tank as well. You'd be amazed at what you might find in a dirty fuel tank: water; dirt; oil-gel; or other crud that has no business being in a fuel tank. As I recall, the Seagull carburetor is very simple. Squirting some carburetor cleaner into the carburetor might partially do the trick, but my druthers would be to totally disassemble the carburetor; clean all the passages; orifices; jets; and the float chamber with fuel valve; so you know that everything is clean and in order; and then reassemble it again. Now you "Know" that it is clean. . If there was year-old fuel/oil mixture in the fuel tank; dump it and start again with clean fresh fuel, which you should do when you are cleaning the fuel tank (and today's fuel with 10% ethanol may not be kind to an old Seagull engine). The fuel hose may not "like" the 10% ethanol added of today's fuel, and will get soft and squishy with time. The beauty of a Seagull is that you can do a complete overhaul of the engine in the cockpit of your sailboat. Just remember you will need some _*Whitworth wrenches*_ to work on it. (available from Snap on, or other large mechanic's tool company - maybe even from SEARS). SAE wrenches don't fit Whitworth bolts, and metric wrenches don't work either. Connie
Aloha,
Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that.
I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that.
If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-)
thanks, John S.
I have a 1954 or 1955 Seagull 40 Plus that runs on a 10:1 ratio of gas to oil. Puts out a blue clowd that's not pleasant if the wind is directly astern.. and blowing faster than that Seagull can move your boat. Later models were 25:1 and even some of the older ones could be retrofitted to burn 25;1.. except of course my old timer. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
On 27-Sep-12 6:13 PM, John Schinnerer wrote:
Hi John,
Seagull engines run on about a 20:1 gas to oil ratio.
If the engine hasn't been run for awhile, there is a very good possibility that the evaporating gasoline left a caking of oil gunk in the main carburetor jet, which would make it smaller i n diameter. Then as you open the throttle, the required fuel for running the engine under load is not available; the clogged jet has become a restriction.
I suggest cleaning the carburetor; and while you're at it, also clean the fuel tank as well. You'd be amazed at what you might find in a dirty fuel tank: water; dirt; oil-gel; or other crud that has no business being in a fuel tank.
As I recall, the Seagull carburetor is very simple. Squirting some carburetor cleaner into the carburetor might partially do the trick, but my druthers would be to totally disassemble the carburetor; clean all the passages; orifices; jets; and the float chamber with fuel valve; so you know that everything is clean and in order; and then reassemble it again. Now you "Know" that it is clean. . If there was year-old fuel/oil mixture in the fuel tank; dump it and start again with clean fresh fuel, which you should do when you are cleaning the fuel tank (and today's fuel with 10% ethanol may not be kind to an old Seagull engine). The fuel hose may not "like" the 10% ethanol added of today's fuel, and will get soft and squishy with time.
The beauty of a Seagull is that you can do a complete overhaul of the engine in the cockpit of your sailboat. Just remember you will need some _*Whitworth wrenches*_ to work on it. (available from Snap on, or other large mechanic's tool company - maybe even from SEARS). SAE wrenches don't fit Whitworth bolts, and metric wrenches don't work either.
Connie
Aloha,
Seeing there may be some seagull experts here - a friend has a 1980's seagull on a recently purchased used boat. On his first outing, it ran readily, but only at an idle, wouldn't rev up beyond that.
I realize that's not much info, and, sometimes someone knows just what that's about for some particular machine - if anyone here does, please advise. He's fairly mechanical so I am assuming he would know if it was just a broken throttle cable or something simple like that.
If more info is needed I can ask him for details on the motor. Hope to be taking a sail with him in near future and would like to have a working auxiliary. His previous outing involved a rather long channel passage where the engine at idle held speed over ground at zero vs. outgoing tide...not quite useful for getting home... :-)
thanks, John S.
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Conbert Benneck -
Don White -
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jerry montgomery -
Joe Murphy -
John Schinnerer -
Neil Dorf -
Todd Bradley