There was some talk about a month ago regarding the Windward Skunk, and someone asked me for comments. Someone else suggested that I do a column on the Skunk for SCA. Just wanted to mention that I took that advice, the article was submitted last month, and that it should be in the next issue (Sept?). Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
I just read that article Jerry. Very nice. Great story. Tim D jerry wrote:
There was some talk about a month ago regarding the Windward Skunk, and someone asked me for comments. Someone else suggested that I do a column on the Skunk for SCA.
Just wanted to mention that I took that advice, the article was submitted last month, and that it should be in the next issue (Sept?).
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I have just gotten an M-10 1975 from California. The boat seems to be in reasonable shape and from the looks of the wooden parts (dagger board, rudder and sail had hardly ever been used. However, the gelcoat is cracked and is in some places pealing off. I would like to restore the boat as close as I can get it to its original condition. I am willing to give it plenty of elbow grease and to use the best possible materials. May I have your suggestions? Many thanks in advance! Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity. Cheers, bob s. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) There was some talk about a month ago regarding the Windward Skunk, and someone asked me for comments. Someone else suggested that I do a column on the Skunk for SCA. Just wanted to mention that I took that advice, the article was submitted last month, and that it should be in the next issue (Sept?). Jerry jerrymontgomery.org _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I also just found a M-10 made in 79 in Tahoe City, CA this past spring, had to have a sail made for it. Made a small two wheel hand dolly to take it the two block my daughter lives from Lake Tahoe. Been having a great time hope to sail to Emerald Bay before winter with my wife....but I know I need more time on the lake first, it's about 25 miles round trip. Would like to see the M-10 brochure soon. I hope to send photos from Emerald Bay. Dave "Robert L. Smith" <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> wrote: I have just gotten an M-10 1975 from California. The boat seems to be in reasonable shape and from the looks of the wooden parts (dagger board, rudder and sail had hardly ever been used. However, the gelcoat is cracked and is in some places pealing off. I would like to restore the boat as close as I can get it to its original condition. I am willing to give it plenty of elbow grease and to use the best possible materials. May I have your suggestions? Many thanks in advance! Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity. Cheers, bob s. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) There was some talk about a month ago regarding the Windward Skunk, and someone asked me for comments. Someone else suggested that I do a column on the Skunk for SCA. Just wanted to mention that I took that advice, the article was submitted last month, and that it should be in the next issue (Sept?). Jerry jerrymontgomery.org _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi Bob, If you will scan the m10 brochure and send it to me I'll turn it into a PDF and post it on the PDF Page on the Photo Site. Please send to Billamicasr@gmail.com Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com On 8/7/06, Robert L. Smith <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> wrote:
Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity.
Cheers, bob s.
Thanks Bill: I will get it to you in a couple of days. I am still hoping for suggestions from anyone who is knowledgeable on the best way to restore the little boat's gel coat. The problems seem to be due to its having been outside propped up against a wall for some part of its 31 years. Are there kits have given good results? Any good books on procedures? What about preferred products and sources? I am completely inexperienced in these matters though Sean's beautifully documented projects offer some ideas. Are repairs with epoxy followed by paint a good solution? What's the best most durable marine paint? I want to do the best possible job. Any advice would be appreciated! Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Bill Lamica Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Hi Bob, If you will scan the m10 brochure and send it to me I'll turn it into a PDF and post it on the PDF Page on the Photo Site. Please send to Billamicasr@gmail.com Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com On 8/7/06, Robert L. Smith <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> wrote:
Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity.
Cheers, bob s.
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Bob- the best way to restore the gelcoat, by far, is to sand the old gelcoat thoroughly and fix any defects, prime with Awlgrip epoxy primer, then paint with Deltron (PPG) or another good automotive grade 2-part polyurethane. No wetsanding or buffing anmd i'll last much better in years of UV than silly old gelcoat, which is the way it is simply for speed of production. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Smith" <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Thanks Bill: I will get it to you in a couple of days. I am still hoping for suggestions from anyone who is knowledgeable on the best way to restore the little boat's gel coat. The problems seem to be due to its having been outside propped up against a wall for some part of its 31 years. Are there kits have given good results? Any good books on procedures? What about preferred products and sources? I am completely inexperienced in these matters though Sean's beautifully documented projects offer some ideas. Are repairs with epoxy followed by paint a good solution? What's the best most durable marine paint? I want to do the best possible job. Any advice would be appreciated! Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Bill Lamica Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Hi Bob, If you will scan the m10 brochure and send it to me I'll turn it into a PDF and post it on the PDF Page on the Photo Site. Please send to Billamicasr@gmail.com Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com On 8/7/06, Robert L. Smith <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> wrote:
Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity.
Cheers, bob s.
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Many thanks Jerry, it's a great to have authoritative instruction from the namesake and builder of my first sailboat--the M10 is it! I think there is a number on the transom--will send it to you and see if you remember Ha! I'll check with West Systems on the Awlgrip and hopefully get started very soon. I think there is enough info on Sean's site to help me with repairs if needed. I'm excited. Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:21 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Bob- the best way to restore the gelcoat, by far, is to sand the old gelcoat thoroughly and fix any defects, prime with Awlgrip epoxy primer, then paint with Deltron (PPG) or another good automotive grade 2-part polyurethane. No wetsanding or buffing anmd i'll last much better in years of UV than silly old gelcoat, which is the way it is simply for speed of production. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Smith" <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Thanks Bill: I will get it to you in a couple of days. I am still hoping for suggestions from anyone who is knowledgeable on the best way to restore the little boat's gel coat. The problems seem to be due to its having been outside propped up against a wall for some part of its 31 years. Are there kits have given good results? Any good books on procedures? What about preferred products and sources? I am completely inexperienced in these matters though Sean's beautifully documented projects offer some ideas. Are repairs with epoxy followed by paint a good solution? What's the best most durable marine paint? I want to do the best possible job. Any advice would be appreciated! Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Bill Lamica Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Hi Bob, If you will scan the m10 brochure and send it to me I'll turn it into a PDF and post it on the PDF Page on the Photo Site. Please send to Billamicasr@gmail.com Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com On 8/7/06, Robert L. Smith <bobsmith@ag.arizona.edu> wrote:
Oh yes, I have the M-10 single sheet brochure that could be scanned and included in the database for posterity.
Cheers, bob s.
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Hi Bob, At the moment I cannot quote much on book names and authors as my "library" is packed away. But, I do agree to start with books and videos (or a mentor). I have a couple of books by Don Casey; Pretty simple instructional, how to books. You could Google his name and come up with titles. And I have some free or small cost brochures and pamphlets by "West Systems" which supplies quite alot of the finishing materials to the boating industry (got that at West Marine). It is the materials that Sean Mulligan refers to on his M23 refinish. What a learning curve there is for refinishing a boat. There are some professional jobs finished and being done by the group. Myself, I've been fortunate to find (I take my time) craft that are in need of polish and rerigging only. I guess you could say I am not as "ambitious" as say... Sean. In fact, compared to Sean - I'm just plain LAZY. 1. Determine if the gelcoat can be fixed. I would start with marine hull cleaner "mild rubbing compound" and using elbo grease, clean the gelcoat to see if the oxidation (dullness) can be polished out. And of course, if that works you are downtown. You could continue by hand or use a power buffer and when satisfied with the finish you could complete the job with a good wax job, something with Tephlon added maybe. All of the chemicals could come from the brand called: www.starbrite.com available at West Marine and others. 2. If the gelcoat is gone or beyond a mechanical refinish you could concern yourself with replacing the gelcoat (professionals only - I'm told) or painting the hull with either brush (called tipping) or spraying. I also understand, because of the watercraft envirinment, it is necessary to use an epoxy paint to assure durability. There may be other steps or solutions. I've only had to deal with the first step. Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com
Hi Bill: When it rains, it pours! I will definitely check into the Don Casey books and it sounds like West System can supply all of the materials plus guide a novice through the process. After Jerry mentioned it, I recall having seen something about the Awlgrip product. Maybe a refinishing job on a small craft will cure me of my ambition to do it on a larger one someday. Thanks again for the suggestions. Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bobsmith=ag.arizona.edu@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Bill Lamica Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:44 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-10 gelcoat restoration Hi Bob, At the moment I cannot quote much on book names and authors as my "library" is packed away. But, I do agree to start with books and videos (or a mentor). I have a couple of books by Don Casey; Pretty simple instructional, how to books. You could Google his name and come up with titles. And I have some free or small cost brochures and pamphlets by "West Systems" which supplies quite alot of the finishing materials to the boating industry (got that at West Marine). It is the materials that Sean Mulligan refers to on his M23 refinish. What a learning curve there is for refinishing a boat. There are some professional jobs finished and being done by the group. Myself, I've been fortunate to find (I take my time) craft that are in need of polish and rerigging only. I guess you could say I am not as "ambitious" as say... Sean. In fact, compared to Sean - I'm just plain LAZY. 1. Determine if the gelcoat can be fixed. I would start with marine hull cleaner "mild rubbing compound" and using elbo grease, clean the gelcoat to see if the oxidation (dullness) can be polished out. And of course, if that works you are downtown. You could continue by hand or use a power buffer and when satisfied with the finish you could complete the job with a good wax job, something with Tephlon added maybe. All of the chemicals could come from the brand called: www.starbrite.com available at West Marine and others. 2. If the gelcoat is gone or beyond a mechanical refinish you could concern yourself with replacing the gelcoat (professionals only - I'm told) or painting the hull with either brush (called tipping) or spraying. I also understand, because of the watercraft envirinment, it is necessary to use an epoxy paint to assure durability. There may be other steps or solutions. I've only had to deal with the first step. Bill www.MSOGPhotoSite.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
It is time to replace the 24 year old Evinrude Sailmaster (4hp). A worthy engine that still fires up after the first pull or two. But it would be nice to have a reverse gear and here in CA (and other parts of the world i am sure) you cannot take 2-stroke motors on some wonderful lakes and Lake Tahoe, in particular, is calling my name! So here's the deal. I own an M17 and the current 4hp has been enough power for me. Should i stay with 4 or move up to 5? And here's the biggie... what brand? I think it's Nissan that has the internal tank. Do others? Should i install an outboard motor mount or mount it on the transom cut-out as i have done with the Sailmaster? Inquiring minds want to know... and i have to make this purchase before my wife finds the money and buys something frivolous like food or clothing! Jeff
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