Re: M_Boats: lifting a Montgomery 15
Alex: Check out methods on - MSOGphotosite.com Search for 'lifting' :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
Thanks Dave. Search on the new photo site works way better than on the old msog.org! Huge thanks to Gerald Wyatt for that upgraded site. Here’s the link I found for lifting, for any others on this thread who are interested: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph... George makes it look almost easy- thanks for taking the time to document it for the rest of us. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex:
Check out methods on -
MSOGphotosite.com
Search for 'lifting'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
There was a thread recently about a more straighforward way. For an M15, get a few strong friends to lift one end, put wooden beam across bunks at that end, lower hull onto beam. Repeat at other end. I have been looking at doing similar with a lift (engine hoist or similar) or jack (long ram type) for my M17, since there's far more weight to lift. I would put pieces of 2x6 aligned with bunks at each end, for each lift. Can go up in steps that way, don't have to tilt boat forward or aft too far at once. cheers, john On 03/04/2019 07:36 PM, Alex Conley wrote:
Thanks Dave. Search on the new photo site works way better than on the old msog.org! Huge thanks to Gerald Wyatt for that upgraded site. Here’s the link I found for lifting, for any others on this thread who are interested: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph...
George makes it look almost easy- thanks for taking the time to document it for the rest of us. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex:
Check out methods on -
MSOGphotosite.com
Search for 'lifting'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Just looked at the page on the MSOG site, I see that's to get it off the trailer for bunk replacement. Obviously using the bunks to support cross beams or stacked 2x6 would not work for that need. But could get it high enough to drop CB for example. My one concern about the lifting method on the MSOG site - is there anything tying the two rear hull supports together, laterally across the hull? I can't see anything like that in the pics (but it may be there, and hidden?). There is at least some lateral force (outward, away from the hull) on those wedges on top of those stacks of CMUs, because boat weight is on those wedges. A risk would be that the lateral force would cause the support to collapse sideways away from the hull. Even a mild bump of the boat could trigger it. Squirt the wedges out, or the whole stack of blocks goes down outwards, etc. So I would be sure to tie the rear support wedges together. Fastening them securely to a cross-piece would do, even just a 2x6 laid flat. That way the 2x6 holds them vs. the outward lateral force. The vertical supports then feel only vertical force. And...I wouldn't use CMUs for supports if my life depended on it, which it might if I were under or near under the boat and one failed. cheers, John On 03/04/2019 09:19 PM, John Schinnerer wrote:
There was a thread recently about a more straighforward way. For an M15, get a few strong friends to lift one end, put wooden beam across bunks at that end, lower hull onto beam. Repeat at other end. I have been looking at doing similar with a lift (engine hoist or similar) or jack (long ram type) for my M17, since there's far more weight to lift. I would put pieces of 2x6 aligned with bunks at each end, for each lift. Can go up in steps that way, don't have to tilt boat forward or aft too far at once.
cheers, john
On 03/04/2019 07:36 PM, Alex Conley wrote:
Thanks Dave. Search on the new photo site works way better than on the old msog.org! Huge thanks to Gerald Wyatt for that upgraded site. Here’s the link I found for lifting, for any others on this thread who are interested: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph...
George makes it look almost easy- thanks for taking the time to document it for the rest of us. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex:
Check out methods on -
MSOGphotosite.com
Search for 'lifting'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
M-Folks, Had a scare recently. After sailing my M17 for 6 weeks in the Keys, I pulled the boat and to my horror sawthat the CB pivot pin was sticking out of the keel...sticking out about an inch on the port side and seeming ready to fall out.Whats the remedy? Glass it in place, I suppose? Anybody have a similar experience? I tapped it back in easily and distressed the edges lightly with a screwdriver and it's tight now...but what if!!!CheerspeterSV Bird Girl -----Original Message----- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 10:37 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifting a Montgomery 15 Thanks Dave. Search on the new photo site works way better than on the old msog.org! Huge thanks to Gerald Wyatt for that upgraded site. Here’s the link I found for lifting, for any others on this thread who are interested: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph... George makes it look almost easy- thanks for taking the time to document it for the rest of us. On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex:
Check out methods on -
MSOGphotosite.com
Search for 'lifting'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
Hi Alex, Thanks for the compliment. The MSOG Photo Site is a good way to share and is more permanent then the email forums mostly because it is better organized. The search feature is nice. The email forums have their place too though. Not everything is meant for the Photo Site since there isn’t a mechanism for direct communication. The Photo Site helps showcase completed projects but doesn’t address how to get a unique job done. For those willing to share and put in the effort it really helps. Gerry Wyatt
On Mar 4, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Dave. Search on the new photo site works way better than on the old msog.org! Huge thanks to Gerald Wyatt for that upgraded site. Here’s the link I found for lifting, for any others on this thread who are interested: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph...
George makes it look almost easy- thanks for taking the time to document it for the rest of us.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Alex:
Check out methods on -
MSOGphotosite.com
Search for 'lifting'
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim:
When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:
My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas
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