New subject: 3.5 tohatsu for m17

11 Aug 2017

      Hi all,
Sounds like the tohatsu brand has a nearly universal positive review...
Do you think the 3.5hp is excessive for the M15?  Theres not much weight
difference from 2.5hp motor but i have seen thrust numbers around 90lbs for
the 3.5 vs. Somwhere in the 60s for the 2.5.  Would the extra thrust be
worth the few pounds of extra weight astern? Motoring against a higher
headwind in case of a rigging failure eliminating sail power as an option
or caught out with wind increasing beyond sail plan or sailor capabilities
(injury?)  I understand it would be of little advantage against a current
since hull speed is hull speed. I guess I am trying to solicit a reason not
to go bigger since i can't think of one on my own.

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:50:56 -0700
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My 2 cents,

I bought a new Tohatsu 3.5 longshaft for my Monty 17 when I owned it.  It
was the best investment I could have made.
The mechanic I took it to for a "seasonal check up" said it they love
Tohatsu's because they are the easiest to work on
and very reliable.  That was my take as well.  Never pulled more than Twice
in 5 years and with a little tiny 2 gal. tank in the aft compartment (plus
some fuel stabilizer) I knew I was good to go
on any occasion.  At the end of the sail. I would disconnect the tank about
50 ' from the dock and let the engine run out while I put stuff away.
 After having boats and living aboard for many years, It was a great
feeling to have the peace of mind that comes with well
thought out equipment that really works?much like Monty's themselves.

Electric motors trends are moving right along?but I think it will be years
until price and pound for pound, they make sense for a sailor.

Former Monty 17 owner?maybe future Sage owner.
Michael Ray

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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 12:04:19 -0700
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The 15 was designed for a short shaft,. but some complain that it
cavitates
when people go fwd, and prefer the long shaft because of that.  Not me!
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
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i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM
To: 'For and abmontgomery forum
Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and
it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total and the
when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400
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Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree!
Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and
not
have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
...
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total
and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
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You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than
that),  but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi
and
over the transom.  Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes
ballast.
-----Original Message-----
From: brad kurlancheek
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message-----
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM
To: 'For and abmontgomery forum
Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and
it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total and the
when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
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Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree!
Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and
not
have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
...
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total
and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
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If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
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To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2017 23:54:03 +0000
From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com>
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Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to
power
my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?.  Sold it with the boat and it may still be
running somewhere.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
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If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:12:51 -0700
From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
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Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke
outboard for my M-15.  Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat,
have long been paid for.
Steve
M-15 # 335
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of
the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really
like
my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12
lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
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From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 01:46:22 +0000 (UTC)
From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Anyone have an example for a mount for a gas _and_ a trolling motor
side-by-side?
Like an adapter to those spring-up mounts to make the mount top into a
"T" ?
From: "jerry@jerrymontgomery.org" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: bkurlancheek@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than
that),? but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi
and
over the transom.? Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes
ballast.
-----Original Message-----
From: brad kurlancheek
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?? i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700
From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message-----
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM
To: 'For and abmontgomery forum
Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and
it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total and the
when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.?
Perfect.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400
From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor
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Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree!
Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and
not
have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
...
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.? It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.? I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.? Probably ran it about a half hour total
and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 21:55:27 -0500
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
      <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
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Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They
are very hard to find now a days.
Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke
outboard for my M-15.  Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the
boat,
have long been paid for.
Steve
M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis
sion.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 21:56:49 -0500
From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
      <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
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I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine
when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to
power
my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?.  Sold it with the boat and it may still be
running somewhere.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
...
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I
really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the
trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2017 12:38:31 +0000
From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
      <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Message-ID:
      <CA+0OvVjw_yO2s9E0kTQSqbYNBc3BN6XxZqU_+kuhAs4qAri_4A@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Just the bare essentials ?.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine
when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to
power
my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?.  Sold it with the boat and it may still be
running somewhere.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
...
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to
any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I
really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the
trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 08:20:25 -0700
From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
      <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Message-ID: <8E53B161591F4B389569803CC7431A18@CH002914>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
      reply-type=original
I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took
constant fiddling.  Left an oil slick wherever it went.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Davies
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Just the bare essentials ?.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine
when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to
power
my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?.  Sold it with the boat and it may still be
running somewhere.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
...
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to
any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I
really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it
weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the
trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2017 18:12:51 -0700
From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
      <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Message-ID: <7695EB4D41614BCD86AD5C48B47F9B55@HPPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
      reply-type=original
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke
outboard for my M-15.  Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat,
have long been paid for.
Steve
M-15 # 335
-----Original Message-----
From: casioqv@usermail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any
of
the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really
like
my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12
lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 13:37:02 -0400
From: "jslubliner@aol.com" <jslubliner@aol.com>
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: British Seagull
Message-ID: <15dbdc57c36-c04-3070@webjas-vaa007.srv.aolmail.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My M-17FD (Coyote) came to me from Jerry, through a legendary list of
Arizona Sailors -with a Seagull lightweight. Those of you have not
experienced this legendary opportunity need to simulate to understand:
Imagine a very early gas lawn mower, with non-recoil starter rope. Place
this in a small outhouse on a warm day and after mixing gas/oil and pouring
half of it on your arm and hand, pull and rewind the starter rope 75 times.
When it starts, inhale the gas/oil mixture until you can no longer see the
outboard through the blue haze. Oh, for full effect, do this with your head
below your knees...
Google British Seagull Outboard for more information. There is an 8
minute video of an older British gentleman demonstrating his Seagull in a
trash can. Wonderful. Missing footage of his discussion with his wife after
the demo would be classic as well. Directly behind (down wind) from his
demo is a full clothes line, receiving a full dose of the smoke from the
gas/oil mixture.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message-----
From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.
xmission.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 7, 2017 8:23 am
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took
constant fiddling.  Left an oil slick wherever it went.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Davies
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Just the bare essentials ?.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine
when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to
power
my 24 ft Rainbow sloop ?.  Sold it with the boat and it may still be
running somewhere.
Rick
M17 #633
Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
...
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to
any
of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I
really
like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only
weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message -----
From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it
weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the
trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 10:53:36 -0700
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Message-ID: <a03b9909-87e8-6793-4721-0b92c60dbc4c@eco-living.net>
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Suzuki's own website doesn't show a 20" shaft for their 2.5 hp, only 15".
Oddly, onlineoutboards.com now does show a 20" shaft option for the
Suzuki 2.5 hp (didn't last time I looked some moths ago).
But their Honda 2.3 page still also says Honda has the only 20" shaft
model in that power range.
If Suzuki now does have a 20" shaft 2.5 hp, it's a much cheaper price
than the Honda, and similar weight. But water cooled, so more
maintenance than the air-cooled Honda.
cheers,
John S.
On 08/06/2017 10:09 AM, brad kurlancheek wrote:
...
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust
on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds;
plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs
29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling
motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the
20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either?  i did read the article on
this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just
concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to
actually be well within the water
thanks
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700
From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
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Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total
and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700
From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message-----
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM
To: 'For and abmontgomery forum
Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line
and
it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total and
the
when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400
From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us>
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
        <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor
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Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree!
Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and
not
have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
...
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect
trolling
motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the
Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend.  It did the job
surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no
wind.   I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting
line
and it was perfect for that.  Probably ran it about a half hour total
and
the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%.
Perfect.
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Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 04:19:21 -0700
From: <tom@westtexasswimcoaching.com>
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: M-15 trailer
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 trailer
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Tom....
Curious of make and model of your new trailer....

And how much?

Thanks

Bob

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On Aug 11, 2017, at 4:20 AM, "tom@westtexasswimcoaching.com<mailto:tom@
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I bought a new trailer for my M-15.  Does anybody want the old one?
Everything works.  It's in Amarillo TX.  Tom Harris M-15 141

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