Hello Robbin, I thought about modifying my M17 rudder but decided to adapt a kick up rudder from another boat. If interested I can provide additional details and pics. regards, al williams _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID283...