Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
U Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:43:58 To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. M17 wing keel (lon zimmerman) 2. Re: DODGERS (htmills@zoominternet.net) 3. Re: DODGERS (larrypegg@aol.com) 4. Re: DODGERS (htmills@zoominternet.net) 5. Re: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more (htmills@zoominternet.net) 6. Re: DODGERS (bownez@juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:32:54 -0700 From: lon zimmerman <zimco@gci.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 wing keel Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFD6DVIKU1Cqmo4oeTcRC/CgAAAEAAAADQlT9TxRtJGsvc9ATzc/tsBAAAAAA==@gci.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AN EARLIER THREAD FOR CENTERBOARD PROBLEMS WITH THE M17, TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE CENTERBOARD AND ADDING A WINGED KEEL. HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS IDEA? ALSO - ANYONE MAKE A DODGER FOR THE M17? THANKS Lon SELKIE ============ ============ ========== [Dick Straubel Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:06:11 -0700] Would increase the draft by the thickness of the metal plate. When heeled, the wing might go down deeper as it tilts, but not significant and would not increase draft more than the thickness of the plate when not heeled. The plate could actually be quite thin, and weight or original board could be replaced by pouring a lead/resin gruel down into the trunk from above. The trick would be to design the rake of the wing blades and determine the position of the wing plate fore and aft on the keel to achieve the best helm balance. I believe the point of raking/sweeping the wings is to adjust the center of lateral resistance aft as the boat heels so the helms stays close to balanced ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:33:50 -0400 From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <000c01c9b952$7db96a50$792c3ef0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lon, I have one: http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon zimmerman Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS
Anyone have a dodger on your M17?
Thanks
Lon Selkie - hull # 279
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:01:17 -0400 From: larrypegg@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <8CB876D75DDF48F-C3C-B1A@WEBMAIL-DZ11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Very cool? Did you put it on your self or have it done? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 -----Original Message----- From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 2:33 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Lon, I have one: http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon zimmerman Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS
Anyone have a dodger on your M17?
Thanks
Lon Selkie - hull # 279
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_______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:05:57 -0400 From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <000d01c9b956$fa3b3500$eeb19f00$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry, I believe a previous owner made it. To install it on the boat, it screws to the companionway trim and the side pieces snap on. Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of larrypegg@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:01 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS
Very cool? Did you put it on your self or have it done?
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
-----Original Message----- From: htmills@zoominternet.net To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 2:33 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS
Lon,
I have one:
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg
Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon zimmerman Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS
Anyone have a dodger on your M17?
Thanks
Lon Selkie - hull # 279
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------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:07:29 -0400 From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>, "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more Message-ID: <001101c9b957$312b89c0$93829d40$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad it worked out well for you Doug! PIC-TURES! PIC-TURES! PIC-TURES! *grin* Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:16 AM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more
First sea trials on the Gaff Cutter M15 were held Saturday in light and variable winds 0 - 8 kts.
SHE IS A KEEPER!!!!!
She is light on the helm and fast.? I was humming along at up to 4.5 kts in the 8 kt periods with little heel and a light weather helm while pointing.
Much to my surprise she points extremely well and may even be able to point higher and go faster than she did as a sloop.
As expected the weather helm is a bit strong going downwind with that long boom/mainsail off to the side.? I guess I will have to get a large sail to pole out on the windward side if it proves to be excessive.
She does have a slight lee helm in the very light air even with the mast raked aft, but I can live with that.
What a hoot having it all come together.
No pictures as the trials were kept private due to the potential embarrassment but I hope to get some on the next outing.
There were a few things that need tweaking.? I had the forestay too close to the staysail and the roller furling rolled around the forestay.? I removed the forestay and I do not think I will put it back as the two jibs both have wire luffs.? A malicious attack by jealous boaters could dismast me with a knife attach on the halyards but I will take this risk.
YAHOOOOOOOOOOO.
Thanks
Doug
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------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:41:59 GMT From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <20090409.164159.19760.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tod, That is very sweet. I'm looking at building a dodger for my M23, I'm shopping for a frame, I have a canvas maker lined up. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLiTkUXIiGV4gWP8Vijc36Ey5B... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10 ************************************************
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