Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
I have towed my M17 with the extension at the mid point as set up when new, and with it as short as possible. Either is ok, but it is more stable and smooth at the longer of the two settings. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 25, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Pacific doesn't recommend that any of their trailers be towed with the tongue in the extended position at anything but 'parking lot speed' for any distance greater than from the rigging area to the launching area when the boat is on the trailer. Their concern is the tongue assembly, at the location the trailer's left & right I-beams come together, could fail. :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Dave, thanks for the advise. I'm heading to the lake tomorrow and was seriously considering to try it, but based on your feedback I will not attempt it. I cant imagine it breaking but I'm not an engineer. I guess if I had the jerk the wheel at a decant speed the force could be pretty great. Oh well, I guess a little extra time will be worth the peace of mind. Thanks, Ron ________________________________ From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out Pacific doesn't recommend that any of their trailers be towed with the tongue in the extended position at anything but 'parking lot speed' for any distance greater than from the rigging area to the launching area when the boat is on the trailer. Their concern is the tongue assembly, at the location the trailer's left & right I-beams come together, could fail. :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 3/25/13, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it. I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet. Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason? Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Steve : I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Gary, Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out Steve : I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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The turbocharger is the difference, along with the trailer brakes. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, Amazing. Particularly towing it with your Subaru Forester. I have a 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get my M-15 up the hill from Conkling Park. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Steve : I've towed the M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & from Lake Havasu, 5 times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing capacity. I also adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound tongue weight (about 10% of trailer weight). I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home without em. Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as mentioned before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for launching.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Steve/ To answer your other Q, I store indoors in winter. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Gary, I am sure that you know this from experience of driving on the winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake Couer D' Alene. Do you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or store it there at the boat yard? Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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Gary 'bookworm' Hyde... :-) t On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Tom: Once an engineer, always an engineer. Aloha! ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-) On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary 'bookworm' Hyde... :-) t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
Aloha Gary!! t On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Tom: Once an engineer, always an engineer. Aloha!
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary 'bookworm' Hyde... :-) t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal ("Give me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the auto to be affected.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
You can lock it open, right? So it doesn't zip forward and close up with a bang when you apply the breaks. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the trailer. The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended there is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but speeds up to 55mph. I know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without taking it off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended for some reason?
Thanks, Ron McNeil Jackpot
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