To All:, If anyone is interested in this boat and would like an "average joe's" thoughts on the boat, let me know. I only live about 20 min away. I have a Jerry boat from 1982 and if it's in as good of condition as mine, then I'd say this one is a steel. Where was this boat when I was looking? I bought my boat from a gentleman in KY!!! Skip Campion M-15 #201 1982 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: kdocter <kdocter@bellsouth.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 3:52 pm Subject: M_Boats: M-15 for sale in Maryland, under $4000. http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery15102.html ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
Yes, wire rope does "stretch", initially mostly from just the individual wires "settling" into place, and then after that has taken place, they tend to stabilize until stressed a lot. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay. Gobble gobble yourself! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Hi Joe. In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin) Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler. At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft: 1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle 2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter. But first, find that toggle. If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you. later Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227
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Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Possibly before doing anything, though, Joe might want to sail the boat to check the helm. There should be a noticeable weather helm, but not tiring to hold with a couple fingers on the fwd end of the tiller while beating with full sail in maybe 10 kts so there is some heel to the boat. Just a few degrees of tiller angle. The 17 wants a bit more weather helm than many boats because the rudder is large and efficient and consequently plays an extra important role in giving lift when close-hauled. However, too much weather helm can also add drag. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From California Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Thanks Todd, Sometimes we tend to overlook the obvious and that is to first and foremost just wait for a good day and get out and check the weather helm. As my greatest mentor, Homer Simpson, wouldl say..."Dooh" Am I correct that as you rake the mast you add weather helm since it appears to move the center of effort aft? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Possibly before doing anything, though, Joe might want to sail the boat to check the helm.
There should be a noticeable weather helm, but not tiring to hold with a couple fingers on the fwd end of the tiller while beating with full sail in maybe 10 kts so there is some heel to the boat. Just a few degrees of tiller angle.
The 17 wants a bit more weather helm than many boats because the rudder is large and efficient and consequently plays an extra important role in giving lift when close-hauled.
However, too much weather helm can also add drag.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From California Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I have plenty of thread left in the forestay toggle to lengthen the headstay. I just need to shorten the backstay. I took off the two spit backstays and repositioned them to the outermost holes in the plates that hold them to the stern. I'm thinking of just taking the turnbuckle apart and grinding off some of the thread if I could drill a new cotter pin hole..) Backstay tensioner...hmm, now there's a thought. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Hi Joe... Actually the outer holes are the normal backstay leg locations. The inner holes are intended for attaching a backstay adjuster. Let me know if you need anything. Later Bob
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I have plenty of thread left in the forestay toggle to lengthen the headstay. I just need to shorten the backstay. I took off the two spit backstays and repositioned them to the outermost holes in the plates that hold them to the stern. I'm thinking of just taking the turnbuckle apart and grinding off some of the thread if I could drill a new cotter pin hole..) Backstay tensioner...hmm, now there's a thought. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Thanks Bob, Do you have a design specific to the M-17 rig for a backstay tensioner?? Hope business is booming for you. As usual we certainly appreciate your support to this group. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe...
Actually the outer holes are the normal backstay leg locations. The inner holes are intended for attaching a backstay adjuster.
Let me know if you need anything.
Later
Bob
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:42 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply. I have plenty of thread left in the forestay toggle to lengthen the headstay. I just need to shorten the backstay. I took off the two spit backstays and repositioned them to the outermost holes in the plates that hold them to the stern. I'm thinking of just taking the turnbuckle apart and grinding off some of the thread if I could drill a new cotter pin hole..) Backstay tensioner...hmm, now there's a thought. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com> To: "Monty Listserver" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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I (or anyone else with a swedging tool) can shorten your BS by cutting off the eye and swedging on another. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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Thanks Jerry, When I take her out for the winter I'll do just that. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
I (or anyone else with a swedging tool) can shorten your BS by cutting off the eye and swedging on another.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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SWEET PEA came to me with brand new, never been used, standing rigging (made by jerry). the first 1/2 of this sailing season (spring/summer/fall '09) it was very difficult to get the forestay to attach to the bow. this is no longer a challenge as the rigging has stretched. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Mon, 11/30/09, jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay. Gobble gobble yourself! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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