Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. Jazz
What's it supposed to look like? Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
It should look like a 6 inch cleat, and as mentioned, with the proper bolts and backing plate below deck. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me): http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big. -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. What's it supposed to look like? Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant. It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now. Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace > with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential > for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > Have Fun Go sailing. > GO > > > In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > > Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > > Jazz > > >
Thomas Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
> The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are > local to me): > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way > too big. > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > What's it supposed to look like? > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > Jazz > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. >> Have Fun Go sailing. >> GO >> >> >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: >> >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. >> >> Jazz >> >> >> > >
Sharing a whole folder requires an email from the person you want to share it with...and they have to have dropbox as well. So prob just a link to the pic is the only way to go in here. If you find diff let me know, would be cool to see whole folders! Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 9:47 AM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
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://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the > original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm > wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m > job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? > On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, > same > > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine > with > > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are > > local to me): > > > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to > > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be > way > > too big. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > > > What's it supposed to look like? > > > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > > Jazz > > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace > >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) > potential > >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > >> Have Fun Go sailing. > >> GO > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > >> > >> Jazz > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the > original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm > wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m > job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? > On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, > same > > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine > with > > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are > > local to me): > > > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to > > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be > way > > too big. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > > > What's it supposed to look like? > > > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > > Jazz > > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace > >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) > potential > >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > >> Have Fun Go sailing. > >> GO > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > >> > >> Jazz > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox. I still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jazz, > Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of > a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely > separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the > cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the > holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so > would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill > holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. > No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa > cored deck. > Have fun. > Tom B > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < >
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I see a beautiful Monty! Send a video tour! Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 1:51 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox. I still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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> Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! > > Jazz > On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jazz, > > Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those > of > > a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely > > separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the > > cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the > > holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so > > would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill > > holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top > plate. > > No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa > > cored deck. > > Have fun. > > Tom B > > > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > > www.avast.com > > < > > >
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Jazz She (Merry Helen II) is stored in the garage right now waiting for the weather to warm up here in Valparaiso in North West Indiana 50 mi East of Chicago. Snow storm scheduled for tonight and tomorrow.. Will get a video to share after launch in May. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I see a beautiful Monty! Send a video tour!
Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 1:51 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox. I still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore.
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
:// www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
> A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never > will be done, you will never go sailing😩. > I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of > tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a > cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just > swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a > cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the > bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has > nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would > repurpose just right where it is. > "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < >
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> > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! > > > > Jazz > > On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Jazz, > > > Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against > those > > of > > > a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are > widely > > > separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the > > > cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse > the > > > holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so > > > would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and > drill > > > holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top > > plate. > > > No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a > balsa > > > cored deck. > > > Have fun. > > > Tom B > > > > > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > > > www.avast.com > > > < > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy < jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still > have > > > the > > > > original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm > > > > wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a > > 3m > > > > job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? > > > > On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn > cleat, > > > > same > > > > > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced > > mine > > > > with > > > > > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they > > are > > > > > local to me): > > > > > > > > > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > > > > > > > > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be > > able > > > to > > > > > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would > > be > > > > way > > > > > too big. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > > > > > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > > > > > > > > > What's it supposed to look like? > > > > > > > > > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > > > > > Jazz > > > > > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > > > > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and > > > replace > > > > >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) > > > > potential > > > > >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > > > > >> Have Fun Go sailing. > > > > >> GO > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard > Time, > > > > >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > > > > >> > > > > >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > > > > >> > > > > >> Jazz > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Well how fun...I'm in Goshen, IN this week for work, about 1.5 hrs. east of you. I can probably see your garage from the flight home via Chicago from South Bend Saturday... ;-). cheers, John S. On 03/02/2016 03:25 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Jazz
She (Merry Helen II) is stored in the garage right now waiting for the weather to warm up here in Valparaiso in North West Indiana 50 mi East of Chicago. Snow storm scheduled for tonight and tomorrow.. Will get a video to share after launch in May.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I see a beautiful Monty! Send a video tour!
Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 1:51 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox. I still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
:// www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <
https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat > details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen > another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever > had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man > inspecting an elephant. > > It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a > good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready > to go, just details now. > > Jazzy > On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It > never >> will be done, you will never go sailing😩. >> I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of >> tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a >> cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would > just >> swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a >> cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the >> bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it > has >> nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would >> repurpose just right where it is. >> "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. >> >> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com >> < >> >
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>>> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! >>> >>> Jazz >>> On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>>> Jazz, >>>> Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against >> those >>> of >>>> a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are >> widely >>>> separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If > the >>>> cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse >> the >>>> holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate > so >>>> would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and >> drill >>>> holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top >>> plate. >>>> No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a >> balsa >>>> cored deck. >>>> Have fun. >>>> Tom B >>>> >>>> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by > Avast. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> < >>>> >>> >> >
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>>>>> >>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy < jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still >> have >>>> the >>>>> original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm >>>>> wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is > that a >>> 3m >>>>> job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < > swwheatley@comcast.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn >> cleat, >>>>> same >>>>>> as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced >>> mine >>>>> with >>>>>> the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because > they >>> are >>>>>> local to me): >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be >>> able >>>> to >>>>>> justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that > would >>> be >>>>> way >>>>>> too big. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM >>>>>> To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's it supposed to look like? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions >>>>>> Jazz >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < >>>>>> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and >>>> replace >>>>>>> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) >>>>> potential >>>>>>> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. >>>>>>> Have Fun Go sailing. >>>>>>> GO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard >> Time, >>>>>>> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jazz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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John S If you are in the area some evening or weekend when it is sailing season (May - Sept) I would be glad to take you out for a sail. I keep my boat at a slip on Stone Lake in La Port, IN about 30 west of Goshen.. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:36 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Well how fun...I'm in Goshen, IN this week for work, about 1.5 hrs. east of you. I can probably see your garage from the flight home via Chicago from South Bend Saturday... ;-).
cheers, John S.
On 03/02/2016 03:25 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Jazz
She (Merry Helen II) is stored in the garage right now waiting for the weather to warm up here in Valparaiso in North West Indiana 50 mi East of Chicago. Snow storm scheduled for tonight and tomorrow.. Will get a video to share after launch in May.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I see a beautiful Monty! Send a video tour!
Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 1:51 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox.
I
still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all
the
screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence
of
short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I
got
to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there
was
a
share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to
others
to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <
thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
:// > www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey,
Jazz,
> Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have > gone
through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure
> how
to
share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage
> roof
shot
> of the Monty. > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by > Avast.
www.avast.com
> < > >
https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of >> > your
boat
> >> details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never >> > even
seen
> another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat >> > I've
ever
> >> had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind >> > man
inspecting an elephant.
>> >> It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just >> > waiting
for
> a > >> good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is >> > totally
ready
> to go, just details now. >> >> Jazzy >> On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >> > wrote:
> >> A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go >>> >> sailing.
It
never >> >>> will be done, you will never go sailing😩. >>> I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some >>> >> sort
of
tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to >>> >> have
a
> cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it >>> >> would
just >> >>> swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position >>> >> would
be
for a
> >> cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker >>> >> stamp
on
the > >> bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. >>> >> Perhaps
it
> has >> >>> nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought >>> >> it
would
> >> repurpose just right where it is. >>> "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. >>> >>> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected >>> >> by
Avast.
> www.avast.com >>> < >>> >>> >> >
https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote:
>>> Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! >>>> >>>> Jazz >>>> On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < >>>> >>> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>> >>>> Jazz, >>>>> Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes >>>>> >>>> against
> those >>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>> a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the >>>>> >>>> holes
are
widely >>> >>>> separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy >>>>> >>>> trick.
If
> the >> >>> cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able >>>>> >>>> to
reuse
> >> the >>> >>>> holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch >>>>> >>>> ss
plate
> so >> >>> would make two identical plates one for inside, one for >>>>> >>>> outside
and
> drill >>> >>>> holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to >>>>> >>>> the
top
> plate. >>>> >>>>> No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the >>>>> >>>> load
on
a
> balsa >>> >>>> cored deck. >>>>> Have fun. >>>>> Tom B >>>>> >>>>> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer >>>>> >>>> protected
by
Avast. >> >>> www.avast.com >>>>> < >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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>>>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy < >>>>> >>>> jazzydaze@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >>>>> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? >>>>>> >>>>> I
still
> >> have >>> >>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are >>>>>> >>>>> silver.
I'm
> >> wondering about plugging the holes from the current >>>>>> >>>>> setup.
Is
that a >> >>> 3m >>>> >>>>> job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < >>>>>> >>>>> swwheatley@comcast.net> >> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized >>>>>>> >>>>>> aluminum
horn
> cleat, >>> >>>> same >>>>>> >>>>>>> as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I
replaced
> >> mine >>>> >>>>> with >>>>>> >>>>>>> the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor >>>>>>> >>>>>> because
> they >> >>> are >>>> >>>>> local to me): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. >>>>>>> >>>>>> You
might
> be > >> able >>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>> justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger >>>>>>> >>>>>> than
that
would >> >>> be >>>> >>>>> way >>>>>> >>>>>>> too big. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM >>>>>>> To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's it supposed to look like? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions >>>>>>> Jazz >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via >>>>>>> >>>>>> montgomery_boats"
<
> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to >>>>>>> >>>>>> remove
it
and > >> replace >>>>> >>>>>> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> current
install)
> >> potential >>>>>> >>>>>>> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. >>>>>>>> Have Fun Go sailing. >>>>>>>> GO >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Standard
> Time, >>> >>>> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jazz >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks George! No idea yet if I'll be out here again this sailing season, but if I am, I will sure try and fit it in! cheers, John S. On 03/02/2016 06:06 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
John S
If you are in the area some evening or weekend when it is sailing season (May - Sept) I would be glad to take you out for a sail. I keep my boat at a slip on Stone Lake in La Port, IN about 30 west of Goshen..
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:36 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Well how fun...I'm in Goshen, IN this week for work, about 1.5 hrs. east of you. I can probably see your garage from the flight home via Chicago from South Bend Saturday... ;-).
cheers, John S.
On 03/02/2016 03:25 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Jazz
She (Merry Helen II) is stored in the garage right now waiting for the weather to warm up here in Valparaiso in North West Indiana 50 mi East of Chicago. Snow storm scheduled for tonight and tomorrow.. Will get a video to share after launch in May.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
I see a beautiful Monty! Send a video tour!
Jazz On Mar 1, 2016 1:51 PM, "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is my attempt at sharing a picture from my Monty folder in Dropbox.
I
still can not see how to share a folder will continue to explore.
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all
the
screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence
of
short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I
got
to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas > > Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there > was
a
> share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to > others
> to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share > button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it > available to the group > > George > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi < > thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > :// >> > www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey,
Jazz,
> >> Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have >> > gone
through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure
>> > how
to
share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage >> > roof
shot
> >> of the Monty. >> >> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by >> > Avast.
www.avast.com >> < >> >> >
https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> >> > wrote:
>> Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of >>> >> your
boat >> >>> details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never >>> >> even
seen > >> another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat >>> >> I've
ever >> >>> had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind >>> >> man
inspecting an elephant. >>> >>> It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just >>> >> waiting
for > >> a >> >>> good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is >>> >> totally
ready
> >> to go, just details now. >>> >>> Jazzy >>> On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go >>>> >>> sailing.
It
> never >>> >>>> will be done, you will never go sailing😩. >>>> I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some >>>> >>> sort
of
> tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to >>>> >>> have
> a > >> cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it >>>> >>> would
> just >>> >>>> swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position >>>> >>> would
be
for a >> >>> cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker >>>> >>> stamp
on
> the >> >>> bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. >>>> >>> Perhaps
it > >> has >>> >>>> nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought >>>> >>> it
would >> >>> repurpose just right where it is. >>>> "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice. >>>> >>>> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected >>>> >>> by
Avast.
> >> www.avast.com >>>> < >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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>>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long! >>>>> >>>>> Jazz >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" < >>>>> >>>> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Jazz, >>>>>> Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes >>>>>> >>>>> against > >> those >>>> >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>>> a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the >>>>>> >>>>> holes
are
> widely >>>> >>>>> separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy >>>>>> >>>>> trick.
If > >> the >>> >>>> cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able >>>>>> >>>>> to
reuse >> >>> the >>>> >>>>> holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch >>>>>> >>>>> ss
plate
> >> so >>> >>>> would make two identical plates one for inside, one for >>>>>> >>>>> outside
and > >> drill >>>> >>>>> holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to >>>>>> >>>>> the
top > >> plate. >>>>> >>>>>> No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the >>>>>> >>>>> load
on
> a > >> balsa >>>> >>>>> cored deck. >>>>>> Have fun. >>>>>> Tom B >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer >>>>>> >>>>> protected
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>>>>>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy < >>>>>> >>>>> jazzydaze@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? >>>>>>> >>>>>> I
still >> >>> have >>>> >>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are >>>>>>> >>>>>> silver.
I'm >> >>> wondering about plugging the holes from the current >>>>>>> >>>>>> setup.
Is
> that a >>> >>>> 3m >>>>> >>>>>> job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < >>>>>>> >>>>>> swwheatley@comcast.net> >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> aluminum
horn
> >> cleat, >>>> >>>>> same >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I
replaced
>> >>> mine >>>>> >>>>>> with >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> because > >> they >>> >>>> are >>>>> >>>>>> local to me): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You
might
> >> be >> >>> able >>>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>>> justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> than
that
> would >>> >>>> be >>>>> >>>>>> way >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> too big. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM >>>>>>>> To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's it supposed to look like? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions >>>>>>>> Jazz >>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> montgomery_boats"
> < > >> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> remove
it
> and >> >>> replace >>>>>> >>>>>>> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> current
install)
>> >>> potential >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. >>>>>>>>> Have Fun Go sailing. >>>>>>>>> GO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Standard > >> Time, >>>> >>>>> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jazz >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
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Tom, have you looked at photobucket.com ? I've had an account there for years and I think its methods of uploading and sharing photos are pretty simple and intuitive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:01:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa cored deck. Have fun. Tom B
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the > original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm > wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m > job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? > On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, > same > > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine > with > > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are > > local to me): > > > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to > > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be > way > > too big. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > > > What's it supposed to look like? > > > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > > Jazz > > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace > >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) > potential > >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > >> Have Fun Go sailing. > >> GO > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > >> > >> Jazz > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
Thanks for the suggestion, SW. I will look it up but, must say, it took me two hours to get my computer back together and accepting my dslr pics into a folder after I scrubbed Drop Box. There is a world of electronic whizdry out there that I am too old to tap into. Fair winds, Tom B On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:02 PM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Tom, have you looked at photobucket.com ? I've had an account there for years and I think its methods of uploading and sharing photos are pretty simple and intuitive.
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Thanks for the feedback, George. There were far too many choices on all the screens to blunder into the right way to do anything. With my absence of short term memory it was pretty well useless for me to persist. Once I got to where I wanted to go I didn't remember how I got there. Guess I will stick to forwarding pics through the email to other people's emails and bypassing the Monty site. Tom B
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:46 AM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas
Your link opened up my Dropbox with all its files. To the left there was a share link that indicates the ability to make any file available to others to view or add pics. I opened my Montgomery folder and it has a share button at the right top. Still have not figured out how to make it available to the group
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=flooding%2C+boat+rigging+010.JPGHey, Jazz, Downloaded Dropbox today. Have been fiddling with it since. Have gone through my pics and put a bunch in my Dropbox but still not sure how to share them. Well, that's the first attempt. Should show a garage roof shot of the Monty.
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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom did you ever get dropbox going? I'd love to see pictures of your boat details. We should have a boat tour from everyone! I've never even seen another Monty. Not only that, this is the first "real" sailboat I've ever had a chance to look at so closely so I'm sort of like the blind man inspecting an elephant.
It has been raining everyday and very still here so I'm just waiting for a good day to go when all the stars align. I know El Nino is totally ready to go, just details now.
Jazzy On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
A word of advice, don't wait until the list is done to go sailing. It never will be done, you will never go sailing😩. I looked at your image again and it also reminded me of some sort of tabernacle for a very large mast. The wooden mast wound have to have a cross tang to catch the uprights on your deck post though or it would just swing through and land on your car roof. Also the position would be for a cat rig. An interesting contraption. Maybe there is a maker stamp on the bottom of it that would point to its original intended use. Perhaps it has nothing to do with sailing and some shade tree tinkerer thought it would repurpose just right where it is. "Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, added to the to do list..damn that list is long!
Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 8:25 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jazz, > Pull off the existing samson post and check the bolt holes against those of > a 6 inch hershoff deck cleat aimed fore and aft. If the holes are widely > separated use the standard drill out and fill with epoxy trick. If the > cleat holes are close to the existing holes you may be able to reuse the > holes and not have to drill new ones. I have some 1/8 inch ss plate so > would make two identical plates one for inside, one for outside and drill > holes to match the existing. I would then bolt the cleat to the top plate. > No new holes, nice big pads top and bottom to spread the load on a balsa > cored deck. > Have fun. > Tom B > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < >
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> > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have > the > > original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm > > wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m > > job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? > > On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" < swwheatley@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > > The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, > > same > > > as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine > > with > > > the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are > > > local to me): > > > > > > http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat > > > > > > Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able > to > > > justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be > > way > > > too big. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jazzy > > > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM > > > To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware.. > > > > > > What's it supposed to look like? > > > > > > Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions > > > Jazz > > > On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < > > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and > replace > > >> with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) > > potential > > >> for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. > > >> Have Fun Go sailing. > > >> GO > > >> > > >> > > >> In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > > >> jazzydaze@gmail.com writes: > > >> > > >> Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. .. > > >> > > >> Jazz > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
Another option to fill a few holes without having to resin, sand, paint or gelcoat, etc. is to just use a truss head screw and nut with the butyl tape under the screw head to seal them up. The details are on that web site I sent a while back about the butyl tape as deck hardware bedding. But basically, you just get a truss head screw to fit the hole size, a locknut and washer for the inside, bed the screw head with butyl per the info for any other deck hardware, trim or cap the inside end of the screw. Truss head screws are flatter and wider than pan head - you may have to go to, or order from, a fastener supplier (e.g. Fastenal) to get them, most hardware stores only have pan head. This won't work though if the replacement cleat base needs to sit where the old holes are. In that case you have to fill those flush. cheers, John S. On 02/28/2016 07:25 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
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My local ACE has those in one of their many drawers of hardware. In ss too. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 8:04 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Another option to fill a few holes without having to resin, sand, paint or gelcoat, etc. is to just use a truss head screw and nut with the butyl tape under the screw head to seal them up. The details are on that web site I sent a while back about the butyl tape as deck hardware bedding. But basically, you just get a truss head screw to fit the hole size, a locknut and washer for the inside, bed the screw head with butyl per the info for any other deck hardware, trim or cap the inside end of the screw. Truss head screws are flatter and wider than pan head - you may have to go to, or order from, a fastener supplier (e.g. Fastenal) to get them, most hardware stores only have pan head. This won't work though if the replacement cleat base needs to sit where the old holes are. In that case you have to fill those flush.
cheers, John S.
On 02/28/2016 07:25 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Ok got it. Is it oriented bow to stern, or side to side? I still have the original cleats aft, they seem to be aluminum and are silver. I'm wondering about plugging the holes from the current setup. Is that a 3m job or will I be fiberglassing painting etc...? On Feb 28, 2016 6:47 PM, "Stanley Wheatley" <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
The original bow cleat was a 4-5" black anodized aluminum horn cleat, same
as what might still be on your boat's stern quarters. I replaced mine with the 6" version of the following (I'm partial to Suncor because they are local to me):
http://www.suncorstainless.com/herreshoff-cleat
Note that they also sell ready made backing plates. You might be able to justify an 8" bow cleat on an M17. Anything larger than that would be way too big.
-----Original Message----- From: Jazzy Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 8:48 PM To: GILASAILR@aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchor deck hardware..
What's it supposed to look like?
Pardon my ignorance and 10000 questions Jazz On Feb 28, 2016 5:16 PM, "GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Jazz, Best for the boat and your shins would be to remove it and replace
with correct cleat (fasteners are undersized at current install) potential for SERIOUS deck damage if heavily loaded. Have Fun Go sailing. GO
In a message dated 2/28/2016 6:12:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze@gmail.com writes:
Hmmmm...Smit Bracket. Similar. ..
Jazz
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