Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 121, Issue 15

1 Apr 2013

      Sorry for the trigger finger.  She's a sound design with good self  
righting.  

sal

In a message dated 3/31/2013 5:39:45 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
sailtim@yahoo.com writes:

I have a  Monty 15, a 2007, hull # 641. It was built by NorSea boat 
builders. My  beautiful boat doesn't have any added flotation at all under the 
vbirth , just  a huge storage space under the vbirth. Also, there is no added 
flotation under  the cockpit floor. There is no added positive flotation 
material at all.
I  talked to Mr. Eng, owner of the company. He said that the extra 
floatation  isn't necessary because the boat can't be knocked over. He suggested 
that I  put an inner tube under the cockpit floor if it bothered me. He did say 
that  all of the forward individual lockers are floatation.
My opinion is that if  you put the weather boards in place and close the 
hatch, water isn't going  into the cabin.
I can only imagine how bad the cabin would smell with a new  inner tube in 
it. I don't think tire stores smell that great. 
If it gets  windy and rough, be sure to put the boards in and close the 
hatch, no  problem.

Tim Erwin, " Dark Star "  # 641

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Today's  Topics:
1. Re: Towing with the extension out  (GARY M HYDE)
  2. Re: Lifting the M-15 (John  Tyner)
  3. Re: Towing with the extension out  (stevetrapp)
  4. Re: Towing with the extension out (GARY M  HYDE)
  5. Re: Towing with the extension out (Tom  Smith)
  6. Re: Lifting the M-15 (Robert  Hall)
  7. Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill  Wickett)
  8. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (jerry  montgomery)
  9. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (W David  Scobie)
 10. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill  Wickett)
 11. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (Bill  Wickett)
 12. Re: Iron centreboard on M17 (R.K.  Graves)
 13. Flotation (George R. Iemmolo)
 14. Re:  Flotation (Tom Smith)
 15. Re: Flotation (Conbert  Benneck)
 16. Re: Flotation (W David Scobie)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:54:06 -1000
 From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Towing with the extension out
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Steve/
To answer your  other Q, I store indoors in winter.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
 Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM,  stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Gary,
  I am sure that you know this from experience of  driving on the 
winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake  Couer D' Alene.  Do 
you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or  store it there at the 
boat yard?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY M HYDE"  <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March  26, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension  out
Actually the sway is less with the  long tongue because the car has 
better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo"  <griemmolo2@gmail.com> 
wrote:
...
My concern  would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased
 distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal  
("Give
me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and  could cause the 
auto
to be affected.
George
-----Original  Message-----
From:  montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
 [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of  
Ronald
McNeil
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013  8:25 PM
To:  montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: Towing  with the extension out
I am considering to  just tow my M17 with the extension out on the 
trailer.
The  extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended 
 there
is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to  the lake, no highway but 
speeds up
to 55mph.
I  know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without 
taking  it
off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or  not recommended for some 
reason?
Thanks,
Ron McNeil
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Message: 2
Date: Tue,  26 Mar 2013 20:11:50 -0400
From: John Tyner  <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Lifting the M-15
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Hey! That's my boat! (Now,  anyway, I bought it from John Harris (of 
Chesapeake Light Craft) in  2003.)
----
John Tyner
M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 3/26/2013 6:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
...
lifting an  M15 example using a method related to Jerry's comments on 
how strong the  chainplates and stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' is 
a forklift  -
http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15cbrep/b15cbrep1.jpg
the description of the above here -
http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html
(you can  click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still 
working on  updating the site).
here is another way  -
http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html
(you can click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ...  still 
working on updating the site).
and  another -
http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html
(you can  click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still 
working on  updating the site).
if 'smiley' sees  these posts he can comment on the lifting bridle he 
and a boatyard  created.  i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Tue,  3/26/13, Robert Hall <bert.hall@rogers.com> wrote:
...
Hello All, Somewhere in the
 literature on the net I have seen illustrated instructions
on  how to raise a Monty 15 off its trailer and remove the
trailer  while lowering the boat onto supports so work can be
done on  the bottom/keel. To date my search has failed to
locate any  information of use.Do any of my fellow M-15
owners have any  advice? Thanks. RTH.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Tue,  26 Mar 2013 17:20:28 -0700
From: "stevetrapp"  <stevetrapp@q.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery  Sailboats"
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Towing with the extension out
Message-ID:  <5C1E20B4FC8C4BDFB48E03316CCFA7CE@STEVEEW>
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Gary,
   Amazing.  Particularly towing it with your  Subaru Forester.  I have a 
 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get  my M-15 up the hill from Conkling 
Park.
Steve
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY M HYDE"  <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,  2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension  out
Steve :
I've towed the M17 about 10,000  miles including from California, to & 
from Lake Havasu, 5 times from  Pullman to Western WA and back, and many 
shorter trips, all with a 2004 Subaru  Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound towing 
capacity. I also adjusted the  trailer axle position to produce a 200 pound 
tongue weight (about 10% of  trailer weight).
I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave home  without em. 
Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid extension as  mentioned 
before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes used for  launching.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
Sent from my iPhone  :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM, stevetrapp  <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Gary,
  I am sure that you know this from experience of  driving on the 
winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake  Couer D' Alene.  Do 
you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or  store it there at the 
boat yard?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY M HYDE"  <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March  26, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension  out
Actually the sway is less with the  long tongue because the car has 
better leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo"  <griemmolo2@gmail.com> 
wrote:
...
My concern  would be that the pivot point (ball hitch) is an increased
 distance from the weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal  
("Give
me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and  could cause the 
auto
to be affected.
George
-----Original  Message-----
From:  montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
 [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of  
Ronald
McNeil
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013  8:25 PM
To:  montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats: Towing  with the extension out
I am considering to  just tow my M17 with the extension out on the 
trailer.
The  extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while extended 
 there
is about 4-5 feet of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to  the lake, no highway but 
speeds up
to 55mph.
I  know there are ways to set it up to easily extended it without 
taking  it
off the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or  not recommended for some 
reason?
Thanks,
Ron McNeil
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Message: 4
Date: Tue,  26 Mar 2013 15:06:07 -1000
From: GARY M HYDE  <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Towing with the extension out
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The turbocharger is the  difference, along with the trailer brakes.
~~~_/)~~~  Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:20  PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Gary,
  Amazing.  Particularly towing it with your  Subaru Forester.  I have a 
 2001 Subaru Forester that groans to get  my M-15 up the hill from Conkling 
Park.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY M HYDE"  <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March  26, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing with the extension  out
Steve :
I've towed the  M17 about 10,000 miles including from California, to & 
from Lake Havasu, 5  times from Pullman to Western WA and back, and many 
shorter trips, all with a  2004 Subaru Forester Turbo, rated at 2400 pound 
towing capacity. I also  adjusted the trailer axle position to produce a 200 
pound tongue weight (about  10% of trailer weight).
I also have Trailer brakes, wouldn't leave  home without em. 
Also, I tow usually with the tongue at mid  extension as mentioned 
before. That is NOT the maximum extension sometimes  used for launching.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
Sent  from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:06 PM,  stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Gary,
 I am sure that you know this from experience of  driving on the 
winding country roads that surround your sailing area on Lake  Couer D' Alene.  Do 
you tow you M-boat home or into town for winter, or  store it there at the 
boat yard?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY M  HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery  Sailboats" 
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent:  Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing  with the extension out
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because the car has 
better  leverage on the trailer.
~~~_/)~~~  Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo" 
<griemmolo2@gmail.com>  wrote:
...
My concern would be that the pivot  point (ball hitch) is an increased
distance from the  weight (boat) any sway would be greater than normal 
("Give
 me a lever long enough and I can move the earth") and could cause the 
 auto
to be affected.
George
-----Original Message-----
From:  montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
 [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of  
Ronald
McNeil
Sent: Monday, March 25,  2013 8:25 PM
To:  montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats:  Towing with the extension out
I am  considering to just tow my M17 with the extension out on the  
trailer.
The extension on my Pacific trail is not all that  long, while 
extended there
is about 4-5 feet of overlap  with two pins holding it.
I tow it  about 15 miles back and forth to the lake, no highway but 
speeds  up
to 55mph.
I know there are ways to  set it up to easily extended it without 
taking it
off the  hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not recommended  for some 
reason?
Thanks,
Ron McNeil
Jackpot
-----
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Message: 5
 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:10:33 -0700
From: Tom Smith  <openboatt@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Towing with the extension out
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Aloha  Gary!!  t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, GARY M HYDE  <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
...
Tom:
Once an  engineer, always an engineer.
Aloha!
~~~_/)~~~ Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On  Mar 26, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com>  wrote:
...
Gary 'bookworm' Hyde...    :-)   t
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at  2:33 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
...
Actually the sway is less with the long tongue because  the car has
better
leverage on the  trailer.
~~~_/)~~~  Gary
Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Mar 26, 2013, at 4:11 AM, "George R. Iemmolo"  
<griemmolo2@gmail.com>
wrote:
...
My concern would be that the pivot point (ball hitch)  is an increased
distance from the weight (boat) any  sway would be greater than normal
 ("Give
me a lever long enough and I can move the  earth") and could cause the
auto
 to be affected.
George
-----Original  Message-----
From:  montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
 [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf  Of
Ronald
 McNeil
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:25  PM
To:  montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject:  M_Boats: Towing with the extension out
I am considering to just tow my M17 with the  extension out on the
trailer.
The  extension on my Pacific trail is not all that long, while  
extended
there
is about 4-5 feet  of overlap with two pins holding it.
I tow it about 15 miles back and forth to the lake,  no highway but
speeds up
to  55mph.
I know there are ways to set it up to easily  extended it without 
taking
it
off  the hitch but I have not gotten around to that yet.
Does anyone think this would be unsafe or not  recommended for some
reason?
Thanks,
Ron McNeil
 Jackpot
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:07:15 -0400
 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@rogers.com>
To: "For and about  Montgomery Sailboats"
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Lifting the M-15
Message-ID:  <97685DE21DBE418C9E425DEBF3AF049D@Pavilion>
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    reply-type=original
Hi David, That material you sent is  exactly what I need. Many thanks. 
RTH.
-----Original  Message----- 
From: W David Scobie
Sent: Tuesday, March 26,  2013 6:22 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject:  Re: M_Boats: Lifting the M-15
lifting an M15 example using a  method related to Jerry's comments on how 
strong the chainplates and  stern cleats are. in this case the 'lifter' 
is a 
forklift -
http://msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15cbrep/b15cbrep1.jpg
the description of the above here -
http://msogphotosite.com/M15CBRepl.html
(you can click the  spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still 
working on  updating the site).
here is another way -
http://msogphotosite.com/m15garage.html
(you can  click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still 
working  on updating the site).
and another -
http://msogphotosite.com/15breezecb.html
(you can  click the spaces where the images are suppose to be ... still 
working  on updating the site).
if 'smiley' sees these posts  he can comment on the lifting bridle he and 
a 
boatyard created.   i've seen pictures and it is a VERY nice setup.
::  Dave Scobie
--- On Tue, 3/26/13, Robert Hall  <bert.hall@rogers.com> wrote:
...
Hello  All, Somewhere in the
literature on the net I have seen  illustrated instructions
on how to raise a Monty 15 off its  trailer and remove the
trailer while lowering the boat onto  supports so work can be
done on the bottom/keel. To date my search  has failed to
locate any information of use.Do any of my fellow  M-15
owners have any advice? Thanks. RTH.
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:38:19 -0400
From: Bill  Wickett <billwick@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Iron  centreboard on M17
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Who can advise  the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate?
Which CB would  an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron or
 lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin'  Time M17  #622
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Message: 8
Date: Wed,  27 Mar 2013 14:50:27 -0700
From: "jerry montgomery"  <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
To: "For and about Montgomery  Sailboats"
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Iron centreboard on M17
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    reply-type="original"
That was about the time when I switched  from steel punchings to lead 
shot in 
the ballast;   I'd  guess that your boat has lead ballast but the old 
iron 
board.   You can check the ballast by running a compass or magnet over 
the 
 keel, and the board by crawling under and looking.
jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Wickett"  <billwick@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent:  Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: M_Boats: Iron centreboard  on M17
...
Who can advise the year that the CB was  changed from iron to laminate?
Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely  to have? Would the ballast be iron 
or
lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin'  Time M17  #622
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:55:10 -0700  (PDT)
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
To: For  and about Montgomery Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Iron centreboard on M17
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Bill:
from information shared by Randy G. -
In 1988  (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs 
cast iron to  the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. 
The M15 is  comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not 
require a  winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to 
compensate for  the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed 
from steel  punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For 
example;  our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but 
steel punching  ballast.
(can't remember where i got this specifically ...  what i have is 
credited to Randy.)
:: Dave  Scobie
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett  <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Who can  advise the year that the CB
was changed from iron to  laminate?
Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would  the
ballast be iron or
lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin' Time M17?  #622
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:57:50 -0400
 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com>
To: For and about  Montgomery Sailboats
    <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Iron centreboard on M17
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Thank you  Jerry
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:50 PM, jerry montgomery  
<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
...
wrote:
...
That was  about the time when I switched from steel punchings to lead 
shot
 in the ballast;   I'd guess that your boat has lead ballast but the  old
iron board.  You can check the ballast by running a  compass or magnet 
over
the keel, and the board by crawling under  and looking.
jerry
----- Original Message  ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com>
To: "For and  about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.**
 xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>>
 Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:38 PM
Subject: M_Boats: Iron  centreboard on M17
Who can  advise the year that the CB was changed from iron to laminate?
...
Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to have? Would the ballast be iron 
 or
lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin'  Time M17  #622
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Message:  11
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:58:51 -0400
From: Bill Wickett  <billwick@gmail.com>
To: For and about Montgomery  Sailboats
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Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Iron centreboard on M17
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Appreciate the  info Dave. Will take a magnet with me when I look at her.
Bill
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:55 PM, W David Scobie  <wdscobie@yahoo.com> 
wrote:
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Bill:
from information shared by Randy G. -
In  1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220  lbs
cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15,  weighing 40 
lbs.
The M15 is comprised of a  fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does 
not
require a winch  to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to
compensate  for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was
changed  from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over  
several
boats. For example; our [Randy's] 1988 M17 #410 has the  fiberglass
centerboard but steel punching ballast.
(can't remember where i got this specifically ... what i have is  
credited
to Randy.)
:: Dave  Scobie
--- On Wed, 3/27/13, Bill Wickett  <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
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Who can advise the year that the CB
was  changed from iron to laminate?
Which CB would an '89 M17 be  likely to have? Would the
ballast be iron or
 lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin' Time M17   #622
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:16:58 -0700
From: "R.K.  Graves" <rkgraves@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Iron centreboard on M17
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Bill,
The CB change for cast iron to laminated fiberglass/lead occurred  around
hull number 400, roughly early 1988. I have 1988 hull #407 and  it has
the fiberglass/lead CB but steel punchings for ballast. As far  as I know
all the non-cast iron CB's are fiberglass/lead. I believe  the same
fiberglass/lead CB is used on both the 15 and the 17. The  change from 
steel
punching to lead ballast occurred sometime after  hull #407. The best way 
to
tell which type of ballast a 17 has is to  see if a large magnet is
attracted to the keel (takes a pretty good  size magnet for the test).
Randy Graves
On  Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com>  
wrote:
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Who can advise the year that the CB was changed  from iron to laminate?
Which CB would an '89 M17 be likely to  have? Would the ballast be iron 
or
lead?
Thanks,
Bill Wickett
Makin' Time  M17  #622
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Message: 13
Date: Fri,  29 Mar 2013 09:48:08 -0500
From: "George R. Iemmolo"  <griemmolo2@gmail.com>
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Subject: M_Boats:  Flotation
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I have started to  work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting for
some years  unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of
Styrofoam  block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:57:16 -0700
 From: Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Flotation
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Yes, it's  normal.  t
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:48 AM,  George R. Iemmolo 
<griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
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I  have started to work on my recent acquisition that has been sitting  
for
some years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large  amount of
Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this  normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet
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 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:01:18 -0400
From: Conbert Benneck  <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Flotation
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On 29-Mar-13 10:48 AM, George R. Iemmolo wrote:
Hi  George,
Yes, it's normal.
You'll find  styrofoam blocks up in the bow compartment, if you remove 
the screws  holding the cover in place.
You'll also find it under the  cockpit sole, in the bilge.
Connie
ex  M15  #400 LEPPO
...
I have started to work on  my recent acquisition that has been sitting 
for
some years unused  and in need of some TLC. I find a large amount of
Styrofoam block  beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15 #602
NoNameYet
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Date: Fri,  29 Mar 2013 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: W David Scobie  <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Flotation
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George:
to add a photo to the comments already shared that  yes the M15 has 
positive flotation foam under forward end of the v-berth and  under the cockpit 
floor i've attached to this email a photo showin under the  v-berth (after 
unscrewing the locker lid).
:: Dave  Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
--- On Fri, 3/29/13, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>  wrote:
...
I have started to work on my  recent
acquisition that has been sitting for
some  years unused and in need of some TLC. I find a large
amount  of
Styrofoam block beneath the deck. Is this normal?
George
96 M15  #602
NoNameYet? ?
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