Hi Joe, I had low lifelines on my M17 and removed them. They were a trip hazard waiting to happen.Also, someone will invariably grab a stantion while docking or at an "anxious" moment and lever it hard enough to crack the deck surface. Mine was cracked in two areas when I purchased my boat.I like Dave's idea with the padeyes and jacklines. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f5ce3487fa551db1bb9st04vuc
Yeah, the thing with lifelines on such a small boat is that they make it a lot more difficult to go forward since the side decks are so narrow. I was on a 17 that had them and after trying to negotiate past them I immediately reached the conclusion that they were more of a hazard than help. Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Hi Joe, I had low lifelines on my M17 and removed them. They were a trip hazard waiting to happen.Also, someone will invariably grab a stantion while docking or at an "anxious" moment and lever it hard enough to crack the deck surface. Mine was cracked in two areas when I purchased my boat.I like Dave's idea with the padeyes and jacklines. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f5ce3487fa551db1bb9st04vuc
Thanks for all the advice on the lifelines. I like the advice on the padeyes and jacklines. I might also add some hand rails closer to the center of the cabin roof. I don't go forward very often but when I do it seems there is always a 2' chop so I end up doing a lot of waddling around on my hands and knees. Thanks again. Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Tod To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions Yeah, the thing with lifelines on such a small boat is that they make it a lot more difficult to go forward since the side decks are so narrow. I was on a 17 that had them and after trying to negotiate past them I immediately reached the conclusion that they were more of a hazard than help. Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Hi Joe, I had low lifelines on my M17 and removed them. They were a trip hazard waiting to happen.Also, someone will invariably grab a stantion while docking or at an "anxious" moment and lever it hard enough to crack the deck surface. Mine was cracked in two areas when I purchased my boat.I like Dave's idea with the padeyes and jacklines. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f5ce3487fa551db1bb9st04vuc
Joe, Rick very creatively mounted handrails atop the companionway slide retaining boards on his M15 Bluebird. Pic here: http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/htmills/images/LF-bluebirdandnymph.jpg Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Thanks for all the advice on the lifelines. I like the advice on the padeyes and jacklines. I might also add some hand rails closer to the center of the cabin roof. I don't go forward very often but when I do it seems there is always a 2' chop so I end up doing a lot of waddling around on my hands and knees. Thanks again. Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Tod To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Yeah, the thing with lifelines on such a small boat is that they make it a lot more difficult to go forward since the side decks are so narrow. I was on a 17 that had them and after trying to negotiate past them I immediately reached the conclusion that they were more of a hazard than help.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of bownez@juno.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Hi Joe, I had low lifelines on my M17 and removed them. They were a trip hazard waiting to happen.Also, someone will invariably grab a stantion while docking or at an "anxious" moment and lever it hard enough to crack the deck surface. Mine was cracked in two areas when I purchased my boat.I like Dave's idea with the padeyes and jacklines. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
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my M15 had the same setup as Tod describes and provided a picture link. didn't get in the way and were there if needed. putting together a Sage 17 right now that has single loop hand rails located near the aft end of the slider hatch and then by the forward hatch. when going forward use 'slider' handrail (aft), then the shrouds, then the 'forward hatch' handrail and finally the bow pulpit. if you would like pictures let me know. the next Sage after the one noted above will have padeyes in the cockpit and the foredeck. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sun, 3/11/12, Tod <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Joe,
Rick very creatively mounted handrails atop the companionway slide retaining boards on his M15 Bluebird. Pic here:
http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/htmills/images/LF-bluebirdandnymph.jpg
Tod
-----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Thanks for all the advice on the lifelines. I like the advice on the padeyes and jacklines. I might also add some hand rails closer to the center of the cabin roof. I don't go forward very often but when I do it seems there is always a 2' chop so I end up doing a lot of waddling around on my hands and knees. Thanks again. Joe SeaFrog
Hi Dave We enjoyed meeting you at the HPCC in Feb and tried to take in all that we could. But, since we are Newbies, the sailing vocabulary has us flumoxed at times. WHat are "padeyes"? After watching the "almost" collision on UTube I realized that a person really doesn't have anything to hang onto in the cockpit unless you have a railing in the stern. Pam On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
my M15 had the same setup as Tod describes and provided a picture link. didn't get in the way and were there if needed.
putting together a Sage 17 right now that has single loop hand rails located near the aft end of the slider hatch and then by the forward hatch. when going forward use 'slider' handrail (aft), then the shrouds, then the 'forward hatch' handrail and finally the bow pulpit. if you would like pictures let me know.
the next Sage after the one noted above will have padeyes in the cockpit and the foredeck.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com
--- On Sun, 3/11/12, Tod <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Joe,
Rick very creatively mounted handrails atop the companionway slide retaining boards on his M15 Bluebird. Pic here:
http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/htmills/images/LF-bluebirdandnymph.jpg
Tod
-----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Thanks for all the advice on the lifelines. I like the advice on the padeyes and jacklines. I might also add some hand rails closer to the center of the cabin roof. I don't go forward very often but when I do it seems there is always a 2' chop so I end up doing a lot of waddling around on my hands and knees. Thanks again. Joe SeaFrog
pam (and others): a padeye - fixed: http://shop.trailersailor.com/prod.php?8462 folding: http://shop.trailersailor.com/prod.php?9158 padeyes are used to attach jacklines and/or a lanyard to keep crew 'connected' to the boat. you need to use a very strong padeye. remember that the padeye will be supporting a moving body(ies) moving at speed. if possible find a padeye 'rated' for use for human restraint. the padeye must have a strong and large backing plate. at Sage Marine we use a stainless plate that is tap-n-died to accept the attaching hardware threads (aka, 'fasterners'; aka, bolts & nuts) . if you don't install a backing plate the padeye will likely pull out if put under a significant load. padeyes are also used as attaching points for running and standing rigging. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Mon, 3/12/12, pam and dana <denko@broadstripe.net> wrote:
Hi Dave
We enjoyed meeting you at the HPCC in Feb and tried to take in all that we could. But, since we are Newbies, the sailing vocabulary has us flumoxed at times. WHat are "padeyes"? After watching the "almost" collision on UTube I realized that a person really doesn't have anything to hang onto in the cockpit unless you have a railing in the stern.
Pam
On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:22 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
the next Sage after the one noted above will have
padeyes in the cockpit and the foredeck.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com
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