M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
Ad states the following: 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is worth. here's the address of the ad: _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) There are pictures on the ad. Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we all go through that painful experience again! lol Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
"Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard. Cheers> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview
Bill, The problem here is that nobody wants to be told that any decision they make (and financial decisions are high on that list) is a foolish one. And i think you know that and are enjoying the prospect of getting a bunch of great people into a tizzy. Let it go... you are looking quite foolish right about now. There is a Potter 15 in Sac right now going for $3500. Looks to be in the same condition as the Monty 15. The Potter will sell for this price and the Monty too (and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Monty is worth the extra $500... Bill, admit it, there's no doubt in your mind either). Buyer and seller agree on price... done deal. Go to your local community college and enroll in a basic economics class. They will speak to you about price elasticity, supply v. demand and other conditions that may help you get a grasp on how and why products sell for the prices they sell for. Jeff PS... Montgomery has a bad name? bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote: "Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard. Cheers> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I've thought this whole series of threads with Bill a bit silly so I've just been deleting them all, but something was said below that has piqued my curiosity. What is the "Gold Standard"?
bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard.
A gold standard is a benchmark that is universally regarded as definitive.> From: haudsley@tranquility.net> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:00:02 -0500> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > I've thought this whole series of threads with Bill a bit silly so I've > just been deleting them all, but something was said below that has > piqued my curiosity.> > What is the "Gold Standard"?> > > bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote:> >> >> > "Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This > > kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is > > indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard.> >> > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Hotmail! http://www.discoverhotmail.com/Hotmail/Default.aspx?Locale=en-SG#2
Good grief, this is getting rather tiresome. As Mark Twain said long ago: "Differences of opinion; that's what makes horse races." Regards, Larry Jeff Royce wrote:
Bill,
The problem here is that nobody wants to be told that any decision they make (and financial decisions are high on that list) is a foolish one. And i think you know that and are enjoying the prospect of getting a bunch of great people into a tizzy. Let it go... you are looking quite foolish right about now.
There is a Potter 15 in Sac right now going for $3500. Looks to be in the same condition as the Monty 15. The Potter will sell for this price and the Monty too (and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Monty is worth the extra $500... Bill, admit it, there's no doubt in your mind either). Buyer and seller agree on price... done deal.
Go to your local community college and enroll in a basic economics class. They will speak to you about price elasticity, supply v. demand and other conditions that may help you get a grasp on how and why products sell for the prices they sell for.
Jeff
PS... Montgomery has a bad name?
bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard.
Cheers> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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All I have to say is " I like eggs " ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Hipple" <lmhipple@efn.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area
Good grief, this is getting rather tiresome. As Mark Twain said long ago: "Differences of opinion; that's what makes horse races."
Regards, Larry
Jeff Royce wrote:
Bill, The problem here is that nobody wants to be told that any decision they make (and financial decisions are high on that list) is a foolish one. And i think you know that and are enjoying the prospect of getting a bunch of great people into a tizzy. Let it go... you are looking quite foolish right about now. There is a Potter 15 in Sac right now going for $3500. Looks to be in the same condition as the Monty 15. The Potter will sell for this price and the Monty too (and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Monty is worth the extra $500... Bill, admit it, there's no doubt in your mind either). Buyer and seller agree on price... done deal. Go to your local community college and enroll in a basic economics class. They will speak to you about price elasticity, supply v. demand and other conditions that may help you get a grasp on how and why products sell for the prices they sell for. Jeff PS... Montgomery has a bad name? bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard.
Cheers> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth, less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Live Search: New search found http://get.live.com/search/overview _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Jeff, I don't respond to personal attacks--just not worth my while. Hope you're feeling better. Cheers> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:26:48 -0700> From: jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Bill,> > The problem here is that nobody wants to be told that any decision they make (and financial decisions are high on that list) is a foolish one. And i think you know that and are enjoying the prospect of getting a bunch of great people into a tizzy. Let it go... you are looking quite foolish right about now. > > There is a Potter 15 in Sac right now going for $3500. Looks to be in the same condition as the Monty 15. The Potter will sell for this price and the Monty too (and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Monty is worth the extra $500... Bill, admit it, there's no doubt in your mind either). Buyer and seller agree on price... done deal. > > Go to your local community college and enroll in a basic economics class. They will speak to you about price elasticity, supply v. demand and other conditions that may help you get a grasp on how and why products sell for the prices they sell for. > > Jeff> > PS... Montgomery has a bad name?> > bill safford <free_willy62@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > "Serious sailers" followed by "$4,000 firm" is a double insult. This kind of nonsense is what gives Montgomery a bad name. Montgomery is indeed a respectable product--it's just not the gold standard.> > Cheers> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:47:56 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 on Craigslist SanFran area> > Ad states the following:> > 1986 Mont 15 in perfect condition. Dry storage for past 20 years. Original > sails in brand new condition, main and jib. All fiberglass, paint, and > cushions in excellent shape . Awesome estuary, river, or lake day sailer/ cruiser. > New wind indicator and lines to cockpit. > > Galvanized trailer included, perfect condition, no spare tire. > > Price is firm. Boat is on trailer in Nor Cal, 4 hours from bay. > > Mercury 2.5 available as well, additional $300. > > Serious sailers only, no more dreamers please, we know what our boat is > worth. > > here's the address of the ad:> > _http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html_ > (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/433279327.html) > > There are pictures on the ad.> > Happy Bidding! I'm not saying a word about what an M15 is worth,> less we > all go through that painful experience again! lol> > > Sean> M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _________________________________________________________________> Live Search: New search found> http://get.live.com/search/overview> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Hotmail! http://www.discoverhotmail.com/Hotmail/Default.aspx?Locale=en-SG#2
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