Broken Mast Crutch on my M15!
Montypals: I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated! Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Dan I am in the process of building a wooden mast crutch to replace the inadequate one on my M15. I found one on the O'Day site that I subscribe to but I did not save the e-mail after I printed it. I also found information on the Montgomery site in the old newsletter for one. George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15! Montypals: I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated! Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Daniel....we produce a nice two position stainless mast carrier. Give us a call. Bob Montgomeryboats (949) 489-8227 Sent from my iPad On Aug 17, 2013, at 4:20 PM, "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Will do. Mine broke at the weld on the pintle. My roads are really bad around here, so it bounces around quite a bit. Daniel On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Daniel....we produce a nice two position stainless mast carrier. Give us a call.
Bob Montgomeryboats (949) 489-8227
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 4:20 PM, "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Hello All, I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting. I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike! I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines. It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal? Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come. Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
Chesley, I found that after buying my M-15 that I then needed to spend a few more $ to attend a sailing class. Well worth the extra $ so I could learn how to play with my new toy. Steve M - 15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chesley Sugg" <csugg@mindspring.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: M_Boats: intro Hello All, I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting. I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike! I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines. It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal? Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come. Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
Welcome to Montgomery world Chelsea!, I believe you will find most all respondents a wonderful asset just like your connection Mike, in New Bern. I am very thankful for the positive help graciously offered me these last few years. Happy sailing! Martha M-15 Knot Head Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Chesley Sugg <csugg@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hello All,
I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting.
I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike!
I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines.
It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal?
Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come.
Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
Ahoy there Chesley! gone sailing.bmp Congratulations and a warm Welcome to you and Peanut! Becky Portland, OR M17 "Grace" #393 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chesley Sugg Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: intro Hello All, I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting. I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike! I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines. It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal? Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come. Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
Chesley, welcome to the group. This is a great forum. You can ask any question and you can get any amount of replies...most of them accurate and informative. There is a huge amount of knowledge for the "wrinkle" boats. You have a craft that will always bring you home. Just don't site on the top rail as a counter weight. I did that once, never again since I single hand. What was I thinking??? On your rudder, it is definitely not right. The rudder was the first thing that I restored when I got the Monty home to Sacramento. When I got my M-15 several years ago the bungee cord was not functional. I installed a new cord (real pain) . Then I tightened it up to the limit of my strength and it works fine now. Have someone send you detailed photos of their setup. This is safety issue so get it fixed soon. The only way I knew to set mine up was to duplicate the existing arrangement. I had to use a set of ViseGrips to pull on the bungee then keep it stretch in order to put in a stop knot. That worked for me. Power: what are you using for power ? Is the prop completely out of the water while underway? I have a 3.5 hp Nissan (same as Mercury and others, different branding). It is too much weight and more power than I need for launch and docking control. The weight of my Nissan is 47 pounds but it was the smallest I could find in my region (four stroke). I don't know the East Coast conditions but you may not need that much power. Also, never carry your engine attached while trailering. This was discussed by the group a couple of years ago. The consensus was that it is not worth the risk of transom damage. Is your CB in good shape? That was the next thing I had to restore. Mine was a corroded mess...had to have a new CB put in with the old one extracted by a sailing shop. I then tackled the trailer. But that is another (expensive) story... Fair Winds, Larry with my Monty - Old 189 - 1981 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chesley Sugg Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: intro Hello All, I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting. I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike! I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines. It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal? Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come. Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
On 20-Aug-13 11:07 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote: Hi Chesley, Welcome to the M-Gang, a wonderfully helpful and knowledgeable group of sailors. Years ago, when I went looking for an M15, I was put in touch with the Montgomery website and its members. They answered every question I had; made additional suggestions to make life on board more enjoyable; and held my hand, After enjoying our M15 #400 for many years, Poseidon whispered in my ear and suggested that I had reached an age where I should swallow the anchor; which I did. We formerly were big boat sailors; having owned a wonderful Tripp-Lentsch for 26 years, sailing in both Europe and on the northeastern coast - New Jersey to Massachusetts. We bought the Tripp-Lentsch while living in Paris. When we had moved to Paris we needed a new boat for the Seine and the French inland waterways. I bought a Norwegian double-ended fishing boat hull with a stand-up pilot house and a tiny cabin. It had a wonderful SABB 10 HP single cylinder diesel engine with a variable pitch prop. We picked it up in Rotterdam and took it, via inland waterways, and 140 locks later, back to Paris. After two years of putt-putting around on the stinking Seine (it's Paris' sewer) my wife wanted a sailboat at the ocean again, where there was something to do. Therefore the Tripp-Lentsch. The M15 only needs a 2 HP HONDA 4 cycle outboard. It's more than enough power, unless you are planning to water ski or feel that you have to try to go up the Niagara River and climb the Falls. Our M15 originally had the Jerry's's fixed motor mount. I installed a lift mount; Reason: it got the propeller totally out of the water while sailing, and I could lower the motor if I needed greater propeller immersion. Your main should have a reefing possibility - ours did. I could also reef the working jib by about 1/3rd, by pulling down the tack cringle, and adding the original sheets to the new (higher) leech cringle. Oh, if you haven't got one, add a topping lift. It makes life a lot simpler when raising the main. Fire away with any and all your questions. You'll get lots of answers, and assistance Connie & Katrina Benneck Author of the "Wrinkle-Boat Song" ex M15 #400 LEPPO ex Bolger MICRO ex Tripp-Lentsch 29 FUN TOO ex Northeast 38 RHE
Chesley, welcome to the group. This is a great forum. You can ask any question and you can get any amount of replies...most of them accurate and informative. There is a huge amount of knowledge for the "wrinkle" boats. You have a craft that will always bring you home. Just don't site on the top rail as a counter weight. I did that once, never again since I single hand. What was I thinking???
On your rudder, it is definitely not right. The rudder was the first thing that I restored when I got the Monty home to Sacramento. When I got my M-15 several years ago the bungee cord was not functional. I installed a new cord (real pain) . Then I tightened it up to the limit of my strength and it works fine now. Have someone send you detailed photos of their setup. This is safety issue so get it fixed soon. The only way I knew to set mine up was to duplicate the existing arrangement. I had to use a set of ViseGrips to pull on the bungee then keep it stretch in order to put in a stop knot. That worked for me.
Power: what are you using for power ? Is the prop completely out of the water while underway? I have a 3.5 hp Nissan (same as Mercury and others, different branding). It is too much weight and more power than I need for launch and docking control. The weight of my Nissan is 47 pounds but it was the smallest I could find in my region (four stroke). I don't know the East Coast conditions but you may not need that much power. Also, never carry your engine attached while trailering. This was discussed by the group a couple of years ago. The consensus was that it is not worth the risk of transom damage.
Is your CB in good shape? That was the next thing I had to restore. Mine was a corroded mess...had to have a new CB put in with the old one extracted by a sailing shop. I then tackled the trailer. But that is another (expensive) story... Fair Winds, Larry with my Monty - Old 189 - 1981 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chesley Sugg Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: intro
Hello All,
I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting.
I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike!
I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines.
It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal?
Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come.
Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
Chesley:
The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal?
the pintles need to be installed to the rudder cheeks using flathead machine screws. the inside of the rudder cheeks should be beveled so the head of the machine screws is flush and there is room for the pushrod and the rudder to move freely. to install the pintles you need a phillips head screwdriver that is pent 90-degrees at the tip. a picture of your rudder/tiller assembly showing the hardware will assist. :: Dave Scobie :: former M1 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com ________________________________ From: Chesley Sugg <csugg@mindspring.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:46 PM Hello All, I'm Chesley Sugg from Raleigh, NC. I'm coming from about 20 years of power boating. Mainly a small trawler. I just lost joy in motoring around and decided that I need to pull some strings to keep things interesting. I just purchased M-15 #153. It's kept at Blackbeard Sailing Club on the Neuse River down in New Bern, NC. It's been my great luck to have been able to contact Mike Murphy, a M15 owner who lives in New Bern. Mike has been MORE that gracious in his help. If all, or even most, of M boat owners are that way, I have found a wonderful home. Thanks Mike! I can relate to the overpowering of the boat. When I first sailed her, now named "Mouse", It was blowing at least 12 with gust to 17. The boat scared me. I used the standard jib and had no reefing capability. Man, I could barely control the boat. I had a huge amount of Lee helm. I could only tack by backing the jib. The rig was set up very lose. Since them, Mike has helped to adjust the rig and I'm added reefing lines. It's going well but I have a problem that I hope someone can help with. My rudder assembly had no way to raise the rudder. I have replicated Mike's internal raising system with a 13" rod (hole to hole) and two fittings as per his rudder. I can only get the rudder to raise to about 45 deg. The rod then hits the upper pintle bolt and won't go further. Is this normal? Thanks for such a useful forum. I hope to be here for a time to come. Best, Chesley Sugg M-15 "Mouse"
the pintles need to be installed to the rudder cheeks using flathead machine screws. the inside of the rudder cheeks should be beveled so the head of the machine screws is flush and there is room for the pushrod and the rudder to move freely.
to install the pintles you need a phillips head screwdriver that is pent 90-degrees at the tip.
a picture of your rudder/tiller assembly showing the hardware will assist.
Thanks Dave! This is just the information I need. The pintles on my rudder are installed with thru-bolts, not flatheads on each hole. It all makes sense now. Now to find the right screws and that 90 deg. screwdriver. Best Chesley PS Hope to make it to the Annapolis show. Are you going to be there with the Sage?
Chesley: you are welcome. if you have any trouble getting the rudder back together let me know. i can also assist in getting the necessary part (compression post, toggles, bungee cord, etc). yes i will be at the Annapolis Sailboat show in October '13. :: Dave Scobie ________________________________ From: Chesley Sugg <csugg@mindspring.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:58 PM
the pintles need to be installed to the rudder cheeks using flathead machine screws. the inside of the rudder cheeks should be beveled so the head of the machine screws is flush and there is room for the pushrod and the rudder to move freely.
to install the pintles you need a phillips head screwdriver that is pent 90-degrees at the tip.
a picture of your rudder/tiller assembly showing the hardware will assist.
Thanks Dave! This is just the information I need. The pintles on my rudder are installed with thru-bolts, not flatheads on each hole. It all makes sense now. Now to find the right screws and that 90 deg. screwdriver. Best Chesley PS Hope to make it to the Annapolis show. Are you going to be there with the Sage?
Daniel, I took my broken mast crutch and pintle into a welding shop and had it repaired for just a few $, which I think it continues to work better than whatever I might have built at home. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15! Montypals: I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated! Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
A good $10 solution for the time being. If one buys a new Ruddercraft M 15 rudder Joel also produces a telescoping mast carrier that bolts to the frame of the folding rudder. This allows trailering with the rudder installed. Dan Phy has this set up on his M 15 Six. Bob Sent from my iPad On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:58 PM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Daniel, I took my broken mast crutch and pintle into a welding shop and had it repaired for just a few $, which I think it continues to work better than whatever I might have built at home. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15!
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Decisions, decisions… Daniel On Aug 19, 2013, at 7:06 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
A good $10 solution for the time being. If one buys a new Ruddercraft M 15 rudder Joel also produces a telescoping mast carrier that bolts to the frame of the folding rudder. This allows trailering with the rudder installed. Dan Phy has this set up on his M 15 Six.
Bob
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On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:58 PM, "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Daniel, I took my broken mast crutch and pintle into a welding shop and had it repaired for just a few $, which I think it continues to work better than whatever I might have built at home. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15!
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
I used a piece of 2x4. I didn't gussy it up any and it still worked. Just cut a v-notch in the top of it and used a couple of "L" shaped bolts such that the end of the "L" that didn't have screw type threads on it pointed downwards. Those slipped into the existing gudgeons on the transom. The mast rested in the v cut and was held down by some shock cord. Worked for all the time I had the boat, about 4 years back then. Never did get to making it look pretty. Tom B M17 #258 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
That is kind of my thought right now, although I will contact the maker of the crutch to see if they will weld it back together. The original owner, Bob Becker, emailed me the receipt! Now, that guy is organized. I really appreciated that! Daniel On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I used a piece of 2x4. I didn't gussy it up any and it still worked. Just cut a v-notch in the top of it and used a couple of "L" shaped bolts such that the end of the "L" that didn't have screw type threads on it pointed downwards. Those slipped into the existing gudgeons on the transom. The mast rested in the v cut and was held down by some shock cord. Worked for all the time I had the boat, about 4 years back then. Never did get to making it look pretty. Tom B M17 #258
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
I've used a 2x4 mast crutch for 15 years. Not pretty, but it works. My brother the machinist made a set of bolt-on stainless pintles, so all I had to measure, cut the wood and install them. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 3:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15! That is kind of my thought right now, although I will contact the maker of the crutch to see if they will weld it back together. The original owner, Bob Becker, emailed me the receipt! Now, that guy is organized. I really appreciated that! Daniel On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I used a piece of 2x4. I didn't gussy it up any and it still worked. Just cut a v-notch in the top of it and used a couple of "L" shaped bolts such that the end of the "L" that didn't have screw type threads on it pointed downwards. Those slipped into the existing gudgeons on the transom. The mast rested in the v cut and was held down by some shock cord. Worked for all the time I had the boat, about 4 years back then. Never did get to making it look pretty. Tom B M17 #258
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
You can have a local welder attach a stainless bolt to replace the broken fitting. That's what I did. I added a rubber grommet around the bolt to take some of the punishment of towing on Sonoma County back roads. Cheers, George M15 #385 On Aug 18, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I used a piece of 2x4. I didn't gussy it up any and it still worked. Just cut a v-notch in the top of it and used a couple of "L" shaped bolts such that the end of the "L" that didn't have screw type threads on it pointed downwards. Those slipped into the existing gudgeons on the transom. The mast rested in the v cut and was held down by some shock cord. Worked for all the time I had the boat, about 4 years back then. Never did get to making it look pretty. Tom B M17 #258
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Rich, I was lucky to find some aluminum tubing of a matching diameter to the width of the gudgeon. I had to fabricate a "Y" at the top of pieced together oak. I used stainless 1/4" 2 with lock nuts on the bottom 2 gudeons. Seems to work. Fair Winds....Larry with Old 189 - M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 4:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Broken Mast Crutch on my M15! Montypals: I got home after sailing today and noticed that my mast crutch had broken! One of the welds broke at the gudgeon. So, I need to replace it somehow. It is a metal one that came with the boat. I'm thinking that building a wood one would make some sense here. Anybody got plans for one? How would I attach some kind of pintles at the bottom? Should I just use bolts down there somehow? Any thoughts greatly appreciated! Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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