Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy?? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538
Hi Larry, Why not add a topping lift with the adjustment at the boom end and secured at the masthead. Here is an example http://www.msogphotosite.com/ToppingLift.html Bill On 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Cause I got no help to get the mast up an down right now.? I will add one later when I go back home but right now I have Pilgrim in the lot at the marina and I don't have to de-rig every time I want to go out.? At your service Larry Pegg 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lamica <billamicasr@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:19 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia Hi Larry, Why not add a topping lift with the adjustment at the boom end and secured at the masthead. Here is an example http://www.msogphotosite.com/ToppingLift.html Bill On 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Until you can get the mast down and fit a topping lift, could you jerry-rig one by attaching a line to the halyard and when you raise the sail you'd raise this added line which you could tie/cleat off at the aft end of the boom. Of course you'd look like a one armed paper hanger when you reef since you'll have to control both topping lift and halyard at the same time. At least it might take a little of the tension off the leech. I've never tried this, just trying to think outside the box a little. Joe Seafrog M-17 #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: <larrypegg@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Cause I got no help to get the mast up an down right now.? I will add one later when I go back home but right now I have Pilgrim in the lot at the marina and I don't have to de-rig every time I want to go out.?
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Hi Larry, Why not add a topping lift with the adjustment at the boom end and secured at the masthead. Here is an example http://www.msogphotosite.com/ToppingLift.html Bill
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Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Larry - Where do you sail on the Columbia? I just bought an M15 and I've launched a few times from the Gleason ramp across from the airport. The river is nice and wide there. I've sailed a Laser for many years off of Sauvie Island, but I haven't located a boat ramp on the Oregon side out there. Have you ever put in at Rooster Rock State Park? It looks like a easy launch spot since the ramp is in a protected area - I'm wondering about the current there. Thanks, Farley Welch M15 - El Jeffe larrypegg@aol.com Sent by: montgomery_boats- To bounces+fwelch=ve montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.c rtisinc.com@mailm om an.xmission.com cc Subject 11/21/2008 10:00 M_Boats: Columbia AM Please respond to For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats @mailman.xmission .com> Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy?? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I'm in Hermiston at Hat Rock state park.? Two places to launch one nice public boat ramp.? one public ramp with an attached private marina, small and not as nice but I can leave Pilgrim's mast up so a quicker launch. At your service Larry Pegg 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Farley Welch <FWelch@VertisInc.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:31 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia Larry - Where do you sail on the Columbia? I just bought an M15 and I've launched a few times from the Gleason ramp across from the airport. The river is nice and wide there. I've sailed a Laser for many years off of Sauvie Island, but I haven't located a boat ramp on the Oregon side out there. Have you ever put in at Rooster Rock State Park? It looks like a easy launch spot since the ramp is in a protected area - I'm wondering about the current there. Thanks, Farley Welch M15 - El Jeffe larrypegg@aol.com Sent by: montgomery_boats- To bounces+fwelch=ve montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.c rtisinc.com@mailm om an.xmission.com cc Subject 11/21/2008 10:00 M_Boats: Columbia AM Please respond to For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats @mailman.xmission .com> Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy?? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Larry, We have sailed a number of times on the Mighty Columbia and my son like wise with his Guppy. St. Helens is nice with great facilities, there is good ramp at SCappose Bay, however about an hours motor down the channel (nice scenery) to the main river. Fred's Marina is nice also, it is on the Multnoma Channel close to where the Willamette meets the Columbia. Last summer we launched and stayed for a few days at Camas/Washougal, a very nice spot with good facilities. Son Joe sailed last summer out of Rooster Rock, another nice ramp. Unfortunately, he misjudged the current and ended up at Camas in short order. The current can exceed 4 knots at times and with his guppy or even our M-17 it is a tough climb upstream. There is a nice Marina with good sailing areas downstream at Cathlamet . I'll watch for you next year on the Columbia (the boats in the garage for the winter). Regards and good sailing..Arnold Sharpe, M-17 "LITTLE BREEZE", Brownsville, Oregon. On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Farley Welch wrote:
Larry -
Where do you sail on the Columbia? I just bought an M15 and I've launched a few times from the Gleason ramp across from the airport. The river is nice and wide there. I've sailed a Laser for many years off of Sauvie Island, but I haven't located a boat ramp on the Oregon side out there. Have you ever put in at Rooster Rock State Park? It looks like a easy launch spot since the ramp is in a protected area - I'm wondering about the current there.
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Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Larry, The last several sailboats I have owned have had not only topping lifts but Lazy jacks to contain the sail as it is lowered. I know the extra windage will make the boat marginally slower to windward but at my age, "Ask me if I care". In the process of refitting Griselda, I have made provisions to have Lazy jacks to go with my full batten (courtesy of my brother who had the sail made) mainsail with 3 sets of reef points. There is nothing like slacking the halliard and having the sail stay on the boom while you tie in the reef. Ron M17 #14 (fin keel) Griselda
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:52:15 -0500> From: larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia> > > Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??> > > > > > At your service> > Larry Pegg> Pilgrim M-17 #55> > 208 249 0538> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15. Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place. Then finish hauling the clew down tight. This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times. All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control. I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not. You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day" --- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy?? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time. At your service Larry Pegg 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15. Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight. This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times. All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control. I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not. You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day" --- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy?? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks.... Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature. To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded. Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop. Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation Tuck a reef in the main Make a cup of coffee The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly. Connie larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
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Larry Pegg
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I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
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Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Joe, You heave to with whatever sail you have up. Sheet the jib in tight, start the tack and head directly into the wind and as the boat slows down fall off on the new tack and without picking up any speed try to tack back without un-sheeting the jib and letting the main out so that the boom is a couple of feet out from the stern quarter. Keep the tiller as far to leeward as can and tie it off. Each boat/ sail combination will balance differently so there is no magic formula other than the general set up. The main and jib will balance each other around the center of lateral resistance with some slight movement forward. The rudder is almost sideways to the direction of the boat to act as a brake. You should have the jiffy reefing tail on the boom far enough forward that you are not down on the lee side of the boat while you are reefing. As you reef the main the bow may fall off a little bit but not enough to affect the position. Thanks Doug Kelch --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:58 PM Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering
the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom
vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So,
over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
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Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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I did practice the hove to combo Friday.? Had a nice sail for about two hours.? I didn't do the practice reef as I want someone with me so I have extra help if I screw up? My wife and I are getting a list together of? the things we need to practice Before we need them for real.? Also the things we want to get for the boat and the maintenance we need to do over the winter.? I can't tell you how great it is to have a wife that is as interested in sailing as I am Thanks for all the great advice. At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 6:22 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia Joe, You heave to with whatever sail you have up. Sheet the jib in tight, start the tack and head directly into the wind and as the boat slows down fall off on the new tack and without picking up any speed try to tack back without un-sheeting the jib and letting the main out so that the boom is a couple of feet out from the stern quarter.? Keep the tiller as far to leeward as can and tie it off. Each boat/ sail combination will balance differently so there is no magic formula other than the general set up.? The main and jib will balance each other around the center of lateral resistance with some slight movement forward.? The rudder is almost sideways to the direction of the boat to act as a brake. You should have the jiffy reefing tail on the boom far enough forward that you are not down on the lee side of the boat while you are reefing. As you reef the main the bow may fall off a little bit but not enough to affect the position. Thanks Doug Kelch --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:58 PM Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
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-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering
the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom
vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So,
over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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Larry, You are indeed blessed to have a wife that is involved and shares the passion. Everyone should be so lucky. Fair winds........... to both of ya!! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <larrypegg@aol.com> To: <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>; <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I did practice the hove to combo Friday.? Had a nice sail for about two hours.? I didn't do the practice reef as I want someone with me so I have extra help if I screw up? My wife and I are getting a list together of? the things we need to practice Before we need them for real.? Also the things we want to get for the boat and the maintenance we need to do over the winter.? I can't tell you how great it is to have a wife that is as interested in sailing as I am Thanks for all the great advice.
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 6:22 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Joe,
You heave to with whatever sail you have up.
Sheet the jib in tight, start the tack and head directly into the wind and as the boat slows down fall off on the new tack and without picking up any speed try to tack back without un-sheeting the jib and letting the main out so that the boom is a couple of feet out from the stern quarter.? Keep the tiller as far to leeward as can and tie it off.
Each boat/ sail combination will balance differently so there is no magic formula other than the general set up.? The main and jib will balance each other around the center of lateral resistance with some slight movement forward.? The rudder is almost sideways to the direction of the boat to act as a brake.
You should have the jiffy reefing tail on the boom far enough forward that you are not down on the lee side of the boat while you are reefing.
As you reef the main the bow may fall off a little bit but not enough to affect the position.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:58 PM
Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering
the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom
vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So,
over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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Hi Joe, I have used heaving-to with my normal jib and a full main in up to about 20 knots of wind. On our old 29 footer, I regularly did it with a No. 1 Genoa, or the working jib, whatever was up at the time. Obviously as the wind strength builds, and you shorten sail, you are left with what is up at the moment. Heaving-to makes it easy to reef the main if the wind strength is building. For heavy weather experience see the Pardey's books, and likely any other book on storm sailing and tactics. Connie Joe Murphy wrote:
Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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Connie, Thanks for the tips. It is something I read about all the time and I know it's something every sailor should be comfortable with. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Hi Joe,
I have used heaving-to with my normal jib and a full main in up to about 20 knots of wind. On our old 29 footer, I regularly did it with a No. 1 Genoa, or the working jib, whatever was up at the time. Obviously as the wind strength builds, and you shorten sail, you are left with what is up at the moment.
Heaving-to makes it easy to reef the main if the wind strength is building.
For heavy weather experience see the Pardey's books, and likely any other book on storm sailing and tactics.
Connie
Joe Murphy wrote:
Connie, How much jib and main do you have up when you heave to? Or is that a function of wind speed?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
Heaving to should be in every sailor's bag of tricks....
Practice doing it a few times, and it becomes second nature.
To heave to, you come about but don't release the jib sheet. The jib is now backwinded.
Now put the tiller over to counteract the action of the jib, which is trying to push the bow to leeward, .... lash the tiller at the position where you can hold your position - with a light line, and the ship settles down; going forward very slowly, but almost at a stop.
Now you can visit the head... for some quiet contemplation
Tuck a reef in the main
Make a cup of coffee
The boat is under total control - going nowhere very slowly.
Connie
larrypegg@aol.com wrote:
Ahhhh the old hove to,, I knew there was an easier way.? I have a jiffy reef but i couldn't figure out how to get everything to be loose and under control at the same time.
At your service
Larry Pegg
208 249 0538
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 1:15 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Columbia
I have jiffy reefing (slab reefing) on the reefing clew of my M15.
Before I added the topping lift I could reef reasonably well by hauling in on the clew jiffy reefing about 1/2 way. Then lowering the main 1/2 way, hauling the clew jiffy reefing so it is now about 3/4 of the way then lowering the halyard to get the tack in place.? Then finish hauling the clew down tight.
This points the boom up towards the mast but it is stopped by the boom vang so on my boat you had to adjust a couple of times.
All this is done while you are hove to so the boat is under control.
I don't know if this will work with the M17 but I don't know why not.
You can install the jiffy reefing without lowering the mast.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day"
--- On Fri, 11/21/08, larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote: From: larrypegg@aol.com <larrypegg@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Columbia To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 12:52 PM
Well I've been out on the Mighty Columbia a few times now.? Not as much as I would like but that's how it goes this time of year.? I'm not nearly so brave when it's just me on the water.? I pull in my roller jib pretty early and am wishing for a topping lift for the main so I could reef if need be. the wind has been mostly very light and the one time it picked up we were already headed in.? Overall, I've learned some and had a good time.? The bad news is (good for Ida sailor) when I was single handing the first time I forgot to pull the rudder and almost ruined it.? My wife normally does this while I get the truck.? I salvaged it with some epoxy but it is in Bad shape.? So, over the holiday, I'll take it to Joel and have a new swing up made . Anyone have experience with reefing the main with no topping lift.? is there a good sequence of action that makes it easy??
At your service
Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55
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