Re: M_Boats: New member [s]
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a sound due to the wave patterns set up by the impact. "There's no women"is incorrect whether or not any of the anal retentive, grammar-loving sailors are up and running or not, as harsh a reality as that may be. If the original quote had not been aimed at women in general, however, grace may have kept me from responding. Grammar-challenged or not, I'm sure you have many wonderful character traits, especially if you like Montgomerys. Cherri ----------
From: daideo@webtv.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member [s] Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 10:04 AM
If a guy makes an incorrect use of grammar, in this group, and there isn`t anyone up & running, could there be a small possibility that he could be right just once ??? Thank you. FROM: A grammar-challenged guy. Terry
" If a man speaks in the forest, and there`s no women to hear him,is he still wrong" S.W.
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Paraphrasing Sir Winston, "Up with dangling participles we will not put." Ever striving for political (and grammatical) correctness, the Brits are now proposing that a boat be called an "it" instead of a "she." Then again, maybe they are referring to a PWC. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco" -- reformed English major
One of these days I'll learn to scan lineart with a color scanner correctly. Until then, this must suffice: http://msog.org/models/m23new/sailplan_new23.cfm The copy, though reduced, was still a bit too big, even with maximum page trimming, and reduction/downscaling loses detail. I fitted two scans together and think it will do. If you can get a better image, please send it, or let me know and I'll send you my copy of the plan from Bob Eeg to scan. Thanks to Bob for making the drawing available to us. A question: Has anyone made a break-away or kick-up rudder for the M-17? I'd be interested in putting information up on the web site...OK--I admit it. I want to make one for Vixen. But I'll also put it up on the web site. A description would be great, adding a drawing or photos even better. And:
Paraphrasing Sir Winston, "Up with dangling participles we will not put."
At the other extreme, a sentence ending in five prepositions: A child asked her father to bring a book to read to her before bedtime, any book except one in particular. The father brought that book up anyway. Upon seeing it, the child asked, "Why did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of up for?" Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org
If a tree falls in the forest ... ahh, the old conundrum! This cannot be proved. It is a philosophic axiom, not a theorem. You must choose one of three alternatives, and how you choose could be considered an archetypal indicator of the philosophy you hew to: a) yes it does, says Cherri b) no it doesn't, or c) we cannot know. Obviously, some philosophic systems are better than others. Like any set of memes, these will prove "more fit" and propogate, in that most people will prefer one choice over the others, and teach that to their children. Here's a better re-statement of this question, more suited to sailors: If there is a storm on the ocean, and there aren't any boats in the storm, does the wind make that noise? You know that noise, the singing from the stays, the moaning from the sails, the flapping of the leach, the whistling in your ears, the sigh of the waves, the thump of the bow crashing into the waves. As I sit here, I almost don't think I ever experience it as noise or sound at all, but something else, almost like the water and wind having a conversation with my spirit. But that's not quite the right description, either. I guess my answer depends on how transformed I feel while sailing. It's pretty easy to get there in a Montgomery! And just so there's no doubt about how off the wall I feel tonight ... Tolkein wrote in Lord of the Rings, that the High Elves said that the sound of the ocean was the closest sound that corresponded to the songs the gods made when they sung up the vision of the world, and that's why the sound of the ocean is so strangely alluring to us all. After all, we came from the ocean 300 million years ago. And there's that archaelogist woman out there with her theory that 6 or 7 million years ago, we were beach apes, that lived at the margin between the ocean and the forest, and that's why we're hairless compared to the other primates, and we like to swim, etc. And go sailing, of course! Regards, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd" Mark Pavuk wrote:
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a sound due to the wave patterns set up by the impact. Grammar-challenged or not, I'm sure you have many wonderful character traits, especially if you like Montgomerys. Cherri
At 2:58 PM -0500 3/21/02, Mark Pavuk wrote:
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a sound due to the wave patterns set up by the impact. "There's no women"is incorrect whether or not any of the anal retentive, grammar-loving sailors are up and running or not, as harsh a reality as that may be. If the original quote had not been aimed at women in general, however, grace may have kept me from responding. Grammar-challenged or not, I'm sure you have many wonderful character traits, especially if you like Montgomerys. Cherri
The quote was not aimed at women in general, it was aimed at men as well. It is a cross between a zen exercise and a joke. It pains me to point this out, but the fact that this thread has survived this long, and gone into such complexity, makes me wonder.... Where I come from, we have sayings: I am a man I have a penis I was wrong and I am sorry I am a woman I have a vagina I didn't understand and I am sorry I am a eunuch I have nothing I don't know what I did BUT I SURE AM SORRY! Let this be a lesson to all. -- Cal Spooner M15 #402 spoon@visi.com cspooner@mn.rr.com 763.574.1482
What is the sound of one hand clapping? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pavuk" <mcpavuk@worldnet.att.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member [s] If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it still makes a sound due to the wave patterns set up by the impact. "There's no women"is incorrect whether or not any of the anal retentive, grammar-loving sailors are up and running or not, as harsh a reality as that may be. If the original quote had not been aimed at women in general, however, grace may have kept me from responding. Grammar-challenged or not, I'm sure you have many wonderful character traits, especially if you like Montgomerys. Cherri ----------
From: daideo@webtv.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member [s] Date: Thu, Mar 21, 2002, 10:04 AM
If a guy makes an incorrect use of grammar, in this group, and there isn`t anyone up & running, could there be a small possibility that he could be right just once ??? Thank you. FROM: A grammar-challenged guy. Terry
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