M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
The M23 for sale in Tucson AZ is STILL for sale for around $5000.00 with a roller trailer. She looks structurally sound although she needs a lot of cosmetics. This is a hell of a buy for someone. I went down and looked at her and damn near bought her as an investment, but ......well I have enough projects going and that might be pushing 'Jo a bit far! hahaha. The owner has people interested but no solid offers or down-payments yet. I SURE hope someone out there that understands how rare this boat is gets their hands on it and not just someone that wants a big 23 for $5000.00! Keep in mind that a new 23 would set you back a cool $65,0000 for the base boat. Had this boat come up for sale before I bought Dauntless I'd surely have purchased it instead. The email of the owner is _Clspark@aol.com_ (mailto:Clspark@aol.com) . I have spoke to the owner and he is a very nice fella and seems like a real straight shooter IMHO. Cmon guys...someone out there has to pick this old girl up! Happy Bidding! Sean ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Sean Some of the 17's I've seen advertised lately should take a page from Tucson 23's book. Asking prices are too high if your Montgomery is on the market more than 2 weeks. I offered $13,000 cash for a 2005 model M17 in June that later sold in August for $11,000. The average year model for 17's currently advertised on the net is 1980. The average ASKING price is $6,042. The average selling price is $3,472. The average NADA for a 1980 M17 is $2,058 to $2,297 (not including trailer or motor). The BUC Valu price for a 1980 M17 $3,850 to $4,450. M23's were never popular--nothing like the M17. And, the Montgomery market is quite narrow. Not everybody wants one. There are certainly better values if you're just looking for a good quality tailerable sailboat. A used Com-Pac or Nimble are way better values than a Montgomery--they just don't have the "look". Hunter and Catalina also make respectable boats and because of thier numbers are outstanding values. If you really want to sell that M17 today and you want cash and a fair offer--send me an email. I'll answer within 24 hours. But, be prepared to NEGOTIATE! Willy> From: Nebwest2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:35:00 -0400> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer> > The M23 for sale in Tucson AZ is STILL for sale for around $5000.00 with a > roller trailer. She looks structurally sound although she needs a lot of > cosmetics. This is a hell of a buy for someone. I went down and looked at her and > damn near bought her as an investment, but ......well I have enough projects > going and that might be pushing 'Jo a bit far! hahaha. The owner has people > interested but no solid offers or down-payments yet. I SURE hope someone out > there that understands how rare this boat is gets their hands on it and not > just someone that wants a big 23 for $5000.00! Keep in mind that a new 23 would > set you back a cool $65,0000 for the base boat. Had this boat come up for > sale before I bought Dauntless I'd surely have purchased it instead. The email > of the owner is _Clspark@aol.com_ (mailto:Clspark@aol.com) .> > I have spoke to the owner and he is a very nice fella and seems like a real > straight shooter IMHO.> > Cmon guys...someone out there has to pick this old girl up! Happy Bidding!> > > Sean> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Hotmail! http://www.discoverhotmail.com/Hotmail/Default.aspx?Locale=en-SG#2
Sean: Is the Tucson 23 advertised somewhere? I tried to e-mail the seller, but no response yet. Maybe someone snapped it up after your broadcast! Cheers, bob -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nebwest2@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:35 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer The M23 for sale in Tucson AZ is STILL for sale for around $5000.00 with a roller trailer. She looks structurally sound although she needs a lot of cosmetics. This is a hell of a buy for someone. I went down and looked at her and damn near bought her as an investment, but ......well I have enough projects going and that might be pushing 'Jo a bit far! hahaha. The owner has people interested but no solid offers or down-payments yet. I SURE hope someone out there that understands how rare this boat is gets their hands on it and not just someone that wants a big 23 for $5000.00! Keep in mind that a new 23 would set you back a cool $65,0000 for the base boat. Had this boat come up for sale before I bought Dauntless I'd surely have purchased it instead. The email of the owner is _Clspark@aol.com_ (mailto:Clspark@aol.com) . I have spoke to the owner and he is a very nice fella and seems like a real straight shooter IMHO. Cmon guys...someone out there has to pick this old girl up! Happy Bidding! Sean ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Time for a sailing tale! I moved my M23 to a new marina on the Oregon coast this month. I have enjoyed 4 great weekends of sailing. I'm not going back to that tame lake we used to sail in. Yesterday, I took a non-sailing friend for the ride of his life. We had cloudless blue skies with temperatures in the low 60s and a fresh breeze screaming out of the north at 25 to 30 kts with gusts to 35 and 40. After we cleared the marina we raised a double reefed main and headed up the river (the Coast Guard had the bar closed due to large breaking waves rolling in). We were hard on the wind trying to claw our way up the river against the outgoing tide. Progress was slow so I decided to raise the jib, there was never a dull moment after that! We made pretty good time after that but I had to sail her like a dingy with the mainsheet in my hand at all times. The gusts hit with such tremendous force that I wound up constantly playing the main. After we heeled past the 45° mark several times I decided that the working jib was just too much (duh). I handed the tiller to my nervous friend, told him not to worry the boat can take way more than we can, and headed to the fore deck to bag the jib shouting steering instructions back to my friend and hooting like a child on a carnival ride. I dropped the jib into the cabin and headed back to the fore deck with the storm jib. We got that up without incident and proceeded along nicely until we lost a jib sheet in the middle of a tack. I don't know how the stopper knot untied itself, but somehow the two jib sheets tangled and the windward sheet whipped out through the block and started flailing around ahead of the mast. Again, I hand the tiller to my friend, tell him this is all a normal day of sailing, and head forward to retrieve the wayward sheet. My helmsman had some difficulty controlling the tiller and jib sheet simultaneously so I was on the foredeck with a wildly flogging jib and a flailing uncontrolled sheet wrapping itself round and round the leeward sheet. It took some time to catch it lose it catch it again and attempt to untangle it. I wasn't entirely successful with the untangling process but I did manage to rethread the sheet back to the cockpit and retake control of the boat. My greatly relieved helmsman grabbed his cell phone and started shooting video to show his children what a wild day he had. My friend was out with me because he needed some time away from his marital troubles so I asked him if I was doing a good job keeping his mind off his wife. He laughed and said he forgot all about her the whole time he was at the helm. When we finally turned and headed back down river on a broad reach he was amazed that things quieted down so much. I looked down at the gps and we were holding a steady 7 kts for quite a while. My friend said "you don't really like going downwind, do you?" I laughed and said "it depends". The main had the jib blanketed so I dropped the jib downwind, but it sure didn't take long to get back down near the marina. I decided to head back up river for a bit with just the main to unwind a little before heading back in. It was a great day. My boat handled everything that came her way (including all the skipper's mistakes) without any complaints. I could honestly look my friend in the eye and tell him that I never once was afraid, I had complete confidence in the boat, and I knew we weren't in over our heads at any time. I learned a bit more about how the M23 tacks with reduced sail and with no jib at all (she likes to be snapped smartly through the tack so a 35 kt gust won't stall her and turn her downwind instead). I also got to congratulate myself on the wisdom of wearing sailing gloves on a blustery day (playing the mainsheet could have been brutal without them). To top it off, as we motored back into my slip my friend said "I think I'll start looking for a little sailboat, that was a hoot". It was a great day and I am once again thankful that I have been blessed with such a fine boat. By the way, no other sailboats left the marina that day and my Montgomery 23 is just about the smallest boat there. Thank you Lyle Hess and Jerry Montgomery, your boat brought the crew safely to port again. With big smiles on their faces, I might add. Mark Dvorscak M23 #74 Faith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Roberta Dvorscak wrote:
Time for a sailing tale!
Fresh on the heels of Mark's tale, a report from the past weekend..... Against all odds, I entered the fleet's fall race. The race is open to all boats at the marina, so I'm up against a bunch of Hunter 28's and 30's, an Oday 32, Beneteau 33,Tartan 35 and various other smaller boats. I'm the smallest by far. Ten boats in all. Race is on a Corps of Engineers impoundment.....narrow channel, surrounded by woods. Lake is currently low, so relative to the wind, you are down in a hole....winds of any kind are typically fluky and swirling, coming to you over the trees and complicated by coves and cuts in the shoreline. For the race, wind forecast looks promising and for the hour or so before the race.....8 to 12 knots. Hey we are racing.......full main and genny. If not for the fact that I'm single-handed, I'd contemplate the asymmetrical spinnaker. So the race starts and I'm first over the line. I'm on a starboard tack going right by the committee boat, on a beam reach cooking along at 4 1/2 knots, windward to the fleet and headed directly for the first mark half a mile away. About half the way there, I sail under the wind shadow of a bluff that a few minutes before had a good chop showing. No longer. I slow considerably, allowing a San Juan 24 (two highly skilled racing skippers...they won the race BTW) and the Tartan 35 to pass me about 100 yards to port, where they still have wind. I finally kick it in again and start moving. Looking back, I'm about 50 yards ahead of the Beneteau, which from my vantage point, looks something like an aircraft carrier.....but I'm keeping up and staying ahead. About 50 yards from the mark, the wind dies. I drift to a stop, but the rest of the fleet are those bigger boats, and their momentum, along with masts 2x to 3x taller than mine still catching air, allow them to close. I'm still ahead and as near as I can tell by all rules of the road I still have the right of way, but I'm definitely the stopper in the bottle neck. I'm now only 10' from the mark and moving at maybe half a knot......evasive maneuvers break out behind me to avoid crunching glass. But eventually, I round the mark and like magic, catch a puff. Seconds later I'm broad reaching down the channel at 4 knots and quickly open a lead of 200 yards or so.....and I'm in wind, so I even catch the two lead boats and I'm in front once again. My strategery in the light winds was to do the downwind legs on broad reaches....tacking downwind. With good wind, I maintain speed for nearly a mile of the 3 mile run.....until I get near a shoreline, which was parallel to the wind, so I thought it might funnel some wind along it, extending the ride. It didn't. The wind shifted to an offshore angle, leaving me in dead air. Suddenly, I'm at a dead stop with sails hanging loose. Looking back, most of the fleet has now rounded the mark and is in the middle of the channel, meaning the channel is clogged full of sailboats. It's also full of powerboats. To avoid the sailboats, they go around them......to my side. So not only am I sitting in light/dead air, I'm now enjoying something upwards of 20 powerboats all slowing to wave and admire the sight as they go by.....thereby doubling the size of their wakes. My mast now looks like a windshield wiper and my sails.....a matador's cape, flogging in the chop. No motion, no steerage, no nothing.....but more powerboats. So I get to watch helplessly as the entire fleet drifts by. Looking down the lake, I see the leaders....now maybe 400 yards away, clear of the shoreline and heeled over in a nice breeze.......heading for the horizon. By the time I drift clear.....I'm dead last. By the time I get to where the wind had been......it's gone. So the rest of the race was a series of puffs and lulls with 30 to 40 degree wind shifts. Somehow I get to the downwind mark ahead of about 4 other boats, turn and head home. Same thing. Weird and wacky wind. At one point, I'm headed off and drifting sideways to port, watching the Oday 32 scream by heeled over on a port tack....(exactly opposite directly tack from me) and no more than 50 yards away. Eventually, I make it near the last mark and again, the wind dies. I'm one of about 4 boats that drift aimlessly for 5 minutes, no more than 50 yards from the mark. We spent the time having a nice conversation. But out of nowhere, a puff and we are off. The final sprint of 200 yards takes about 20 minutes.....I'm screaming along at half a knot, tacking and playing every wind shift I can find......leading 4 other boats......and then 50' from the finish line......6 powerboats and two jet skis blow right through the middle of us. Windshield wiper again. I limp over the line dead even with a Hunter 28 and ahead of two other boats. I finish for 7th. I sail around for a bit waiting for the fleet to drop sails and clear out.....and suddenly the whole arm of the lake has enough wind to blow up a nice chop....but still fluky. In a 10 minute span, I twice found myself on a 90 degree heading. Once on port tack....the other on starboard. Later on, we all have a nice dinner and the boat gets a lot of compliments. I drink enough cheap beer to make Jerry proud. Second day, I decide to sail about 15 miles up and back to a set of bridges. The first 3 miles takes 3 hours in light wind. But out of no where, the wind shifts and starts building. Just moments before that, I watched in amazement as the windex pointed to wind from 4 different directions in less than 30 seconds. Flat calm, glassy water. Moments later, with no indication of wind at all (water still flat glassy calm), I'm heading off on a port tack doing 4.5 knots and sailing dead flat. It was like I was being towed. Ten minutes later, I'm in a nice chop and doing 4.5 knots. Breaking out into the large channel free of any shoreline, I cover the last 6 miles doing 5 knots and sailing almost flat doing it. By the time I get to the turn around point, I've got whitecaps showing. Sensing the wind is building and will continue to do so, I drop the genny and hank on the 110 (leaving it down for now) and head home. For a brief while under main alone I'd doing 5 knots on a beam reach. But that eases, so I hoist the jib and most of the way home I'm doing 5 knots plus. At one point on a broad reach the GPS shows 6 knots.....water is boiling under the rudder. Back in the home channel, I start passing boats right and left, until I get to the same place near the marina where the race had concluded. That is now directly in the teeth of 12 to 15 knots, but gusting to 25 knots plus. Even trying to anticipate the blast from those gusts, I'd still get caught and would round up.....heeling to 30 degrees plus (stuff below flying) in the process. After the 3rd or 4th one of those it was either reef way down or motor in. As I only had a mile to go, and I was tired I motored in. A fun weekend for a small boat sailer. Frustrating from a wind standpoint, but fun just the same. Howard M17 #278 Audasea
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Roberta Dvorscak