Bill, Thank you for taking the time to explain the windward sheeting cars assembly. The traveler on an M23 is much longer than the stock traveler on the cockpit floor of the M17. GO offers a good point about whether it is worth the effort to install one on that boat. However, sailors that have seem to love them. Of course, GO being the excellent sailor he is, has unconventional ways of outfitting his custom two toned M17, like putting windows in the boom and using his boomvang as a mainsheet. You rock Gary..... Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ No Branches = Great Rates High Yield CDs & Savings Accounts. 24/7 helpful customer service. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564f2549e250a25492677st03vuc