So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee) Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
If it works, let us know! Bill
On Apr 18, 2021, at 11:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California. jerry ________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee) Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
It's not just Oregon. NJ is the same. Registration fee for the boat, another for the trailer, ramp fees, Nothing is "free" here. On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 12:32 PM jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California.
jerry
________________________________ From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
It's not funny man..... These "fee'fdoms" are taking a "toll" on me. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:32:00 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote: My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California. jerry From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee) Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
Sure, and, infrastructure costs money. If you want to hand carry your boat over the rocks & logs etc. to deep water...that might be 'free'...but if you want a big concrete ramp, pilings, docks, parking lot, not to mention maybe restrooms at the launch, blah blah blah...well, it costs money to build & maintain. Whether the money collected is well spent...well, that's a different can 'o worms! cheers, John On 4/19/21 11:46 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
It's not funny man..... These "fee'fdoms" are taking a "toll" on me.
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:32:00 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California.
jerry
From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I for one was thrilled to do my part in paying for the fantastic new set of docks and out house that popped up a couple of years ago at Mowry Park on Lake Coeur D'Alene. It's nice to have a safe place to tie up for the night, and an M15 is no place to be doing your business if you have other options. [image: image.png] Best, Sam On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Sure, and, infrastructure costs money. If you want to hand carry your boat over the rocks & logs etc. to deep water...that might be 'free'...but if you want a big concrete ramp, pilings, docks, parking lot, not to mention maybe restrooms at the launch, blah blah blah...well, it costs money to build & maintain.
Whether the money collected is well spent...well, that's a different can 'o worms!
cheers, John
On 4/19/21 11:46 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
It's not funny man..... These "fee'fdoms" are taking a "toll" on me.
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:32:00 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <
jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being
facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California.
jerry
From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Lovely picture! Thanks for helping support it. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 3:50 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration fees I for one was thrilled to do my part in paying for the fantastic new set of docks and out house that popped up a couple of years ago at Mowry Park on Lake Coeur D'Alene. It's nice to have a safe place to tie up for the night, and an M15 is no place to be doing your business if you have other options. [image: image.png] Best, Sam On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Sure, and, infrastructure costs money. If you want to hand carry your boat over the rocks & logs etc. to deep water...that might be 'free'...but if you want a big concrete ramp, pilings, docks, parking lot, not to mention maybe restrooms at the launch, blah blah blah...well, it costs money to build & maintain.
Whether the money collected is well spent...well, that's a different can 'o worms!
cheers, John
On 4/19/21 11:46 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
It's not funny man..... These "fee'fdoms" are taking a "toll" on me.
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:32:00 AM PDT, jerry montgomery <
jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
My Oregon friends absolutely love your Gov Kate! Yes, I'm being
facetious. She's learned a lot from The People's Republic of California.
jerry
From: Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration fees So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Can anyone share any information about the WoodenBoat Regatta coming up soon on Lake Union in Seattle? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335
Can anyone share any information about the W.O.O.D. Boat Regatta coming up soon on Lake Union in Seattle? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Trapp Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:07 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats:: WoodenBoat Seattle? Can anyone share any information about the WoodenBoat Regatta coming up soon on Lake Union in Seattle? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335
Steve: See - "Norm Blanchard W.O.O.D. Regatta — The Center for Wooden Boats": https://www.cwb.org/wood-regatta :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Can anyone share any information about the W.O.O.D. Boat Regatta coming up soon on Lake Union in Seattle? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335
Dave, Thanx. Do you think there will be a Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend this summer, or will it likely get cancelled again for covid? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 8:05 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Re: W.O.O.D. Boat Seattle? Steve: See - "Norm Blanchard W.O.O.D. Regatta — The Center for Wooden Boats": https://www.cwb.org/wood-regatta :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Can anyone share any information about the W.O.O.D. Boat Regatta coming up soon on Lake Union in Seattle? Thanx, Steve M-15 # 335
Steve and others following along: Pocket Yacht Palooza is scheduled for, as much as planning can be done these COVID times, 17 July '21. Details - https://www.pocketyachters.com/port-townsend-pocket-yacht-palooza/ Hope there will be the usual large collection of Jerry Montgomery boats and designs. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:43 AM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, Thanx. Do you think there will be a Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend this summer, or will it likely get cancelled again for covid? Steve M-15 # 335
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration. cheers, John On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter. I agree, let's leave politics out of this. Art On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote: Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter. I agree, let's leave politics out of this. Art On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Which is the stern - port or starboard? :-) Sail-only craft under 12 ft. in Oregon don't need registration. So your M5 is exempt...as is my El Toro dinghy at a hair under 8 ft. I just think of it as a "two-for-one"...register my big boat, get my little one for free. cheers, John On 4/19/21 10:01 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter.
I agree, let's leave politics out of this.
Art
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Very well said Randy. As someone who enjoys Europe and spends as much time as I can there which is a lot. We American are constantly critical of them because of the taxes they pay. They don’t complain because they recognize their return from their taxes that provides much to everyone. Plus the time to enjoy that provided because businesses close at 2 PM Sat and don’t open until Monday morning so people can enjoy what their taxes provide. Someone will disagree with me but hope you have more than 20 years there starting in 1961 and over the years in most countries. In fact learned to sail on Lake Chiemsee and could go on to the many others places I’ve sailed. Gave some thought to shipping my M-17 there but to many place here I want to sail with it. Again good comment. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone wants good launch ramps, clean rest rooms at parks, and other items to make it a good day sailing or boating, problem is that no one wants taxes to go up to pay for this. So politicians want to truthfully say that they didn’t raise taxes, but state agencies can raise fees, licenses, user fees, launch frees, parks entrance fees, the list goes on. Which might be the best way to do this as this makes the user pay more for the recreation they enjoy.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:07 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration fees
Which is the stern - port or starboard? :-)
Sail-only craft under 12 ft. in Oregon don't need registration. So your M5 is exempt...as is my El Toro dinghy at a hair under 8 ft. I just think of it as a "two-for-one"...register my big boat, get my little one for free.
cheers, John
On 4/19/21 10:01 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter.
I agree, let's leave politics out of this.
Art
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I'm not against paying for stuff, it's just not how you think it is. How Oregon's registration fees are really distributed. 43 % => Law Enforcement 5 % => invasive Species22% => Administration30% trickles down to facilities.....and of course that's actually being contracted out, resulting in further watering down. So those of you who think you are buying docks, you actually are buying bullet proof lead-lined life jackets. Of courseif you think 30 cents on the dollar is a good buy........ Here's the budget .....in case you think I just made it up. It's pretty easy to read. https://www.oregon.gov/osmb/info/Pages/Business-Services.aspx On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 6:25:55 AM PDT, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Very well said Randy. As someone who enjoys Europe and spends as much time as I can there which is a lot. We American are constantly critical of them because of the taxes they pay. They don’t complain because they recognize their return from their taxes that provides much to everyone. Plus the time to enjoy that provided because businesses close at 2 PM Sat and don’t open until Monday morning so people can enjoy what their taxes provide. Someone will disagree with me but hope you have more than 20 years there starting in 1961 and over the years in most countries. In fact learned to sail on Lake Chiemsee and could go on to the many others places I’ve sailed. Gave some thought to shipping my M-17 there but to many place here I want to sail with it. Again good comment. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone wants good launch ramps, clean rest rooms at parks, and other items to make it a good day sailing or boating, problem is that no one wants taxes to go up to pay for this. So politicians want to truthfully say that they didn’t raise taxes, but state agencies can raise fees, licenses, user fees, launch frees, parks entrance fees, the list goes on. Which might be the best way to do this as this makes the user pay more for the recreation they enjoy. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:07 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration fees Which is the stern - port or starboard? :-) Sail-only craft under 12 ft. in Oregon don't need registration. So your M5 is exempt...as is my El Toro dinghy at a hair under 8 ft. I just think of it as a "two-for-one"...register my big boat, get my little one for free. cheers, John On 4/19/21 10:01 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote: Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter.
I agree, let's leave politics out of this.
Art
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I'm tempted to go on a long-winded political rant about taxation, entitlements, and the collapse of European economies, but since this is a friendly forum for sportsmen and adventurers, I'll just shut up. - Jim M17 "Spirit" On 4/20/2021 6:25 AM, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats wrote:
Very well said Randy. As someone who enjoys Europe and spends as much time as I can there which is a lot. We American are constantly critical of them because of the taxes they pay. They don’t complain because they recognize their return from their taxes that provides much to everyone. Plus the time to enjoy that provided because businesses close at 2 PM Sat and don’t open until Monday morning so people can enjoy what their taxes provide.
Someone will disagree with me but hope you have more than 20 years there starting in 1961 and over the years in most countries. In fact learned to sail on Lake Chiemsee and could go on to the many others places I’ve sailed. Gave some thought to shipping my M-17 there but to many place here I want to sail with it.
Again good comment.
Charlie
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone wants good launch ramps, clean rest rooms at parks, and other items to make it a good day sailing or boating, problem is that no one wants taxes to go up to pay for this. So politicians want to truthfully say that they didn’t raise taxes, but state agencies can raise fees, licenses, user fees, launch frees, parks entrance fees, the list goes on. Which might be the best way to do this as this makes the user pay more for the recreation they enjoy.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:07 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration fees
Which is the stern - port or starboard? :-)
Sail-only craft under 12 ft. in Oregon don't need registration. So your M5 is exempt...as is my El Toro dinghy at a hair under 8 ft. I just think of it as a "two-for-one"...register my big boat, get my little one for free.
cheers, John
On 4/19/21 10:01 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter.
I agree, let's leave politics out of this.
Art
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee) Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
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