Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
Pete: M15 is a fine sailboat for cruising the entire Salish Sea. For 'the cruising season' she is better than most as she is so good at sailing in light winds - and the wind usually doesn't blow that much between late-June and mid-September. A M15 needs no more than a Honda 2/2.3HP. The Hondas give more than adequate thrust. More horsepower is added weight aft of the transom that really makes the M15 sail poorly. I've cruised the San Juan Islands with a Honda 2 with no problems in a M15. I've also done the same in a Sage 17 with a Honda 2 (500# heavier base weight than the M15). I know people that have cruised the San Juan Islands in M17's with Honda 2s and Yamaha 2.5s. I have also cruised the San Juan Islands in company of a M15 using a 1.5HP Evenrude 2-cycle (great motor actually that had an external tank!). Remember that the Mboats are displacement hulls and added thrust will not get them going much faster than their hull speeds. Years ago Jerry had a M17 customer that was upset with his M17. This owner had put a 15+HP motor on the boat and was upset it would go no faster than 5.5kts. So don't get a new motor. Use that money to buy new sails or go cruising more often! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 5:50 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks,
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
Peter, Is your M-15 located on the Salish Sea? There are several of us between B.C. and Olympia. Some usually show up for Pocket Yatch Palooza in Port Townsend, and some there is usually a cruise of M-boats from Gig Harbor or Olympia or elsewhere. Watch the M-boat postings for information next spring and summer. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:40 AM To: Peter Zimowsky ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member Pete: M15 is a fine sailboat for cruising the entire Salish Sea. For 'the cruising season' she is better than most as she is so good at sailing in light winds - and the wind usually doesn't blow that much between late-June and mid-September. A M15 needs no more than a Honda 2/2.3HP. The Hondas give more than adequate thrust. More horsepower is added weight aft of the transom that really makes the M15 sail poorly. I've cruised the San Juan Islands with a Honda 2 with no problems in a M15. I've also done the same in a Sage 17 with a Honda 2 (500# heavier base weight than the M15). I know people that have cruised the San Juan Islands in M17's with Honda 2s and Yamaha 2.5s. I have also cruised the San Juan Islands in company of a M15 using a 1.5HP Evenrude 2-cycle (great motor actually that had an external tank!). Remember that the Mboats are displacement hulls and added thrust will not get them going much faster than their hull speeds. Years ago Jerry had a M17 customer that was upset with his M17. This owner had put a 15+HP motor on the boat and was upset it would go no faster than 5.5kts. So don't get a new motor. Use that money to buy new sails or go cruising more often! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 5:50 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks,
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
Re cruising San Juans and CDN gulf islands etc. in your "little" M15 - as a sea kayaker (as well as an M17 owner) I'll mention that "little" sea kayaks tour those areas regularly and quite well and safely. Safety is more about skills, awareness and preparation than having a big huge boat... :-) From my kayaking trip this summer, I can guesstimate that if you do cruise those areas in either size Monty, you'll often find yourself by far the smallest boat in most anchorages. In 10 days paddling various locations around Cortes island this past summer, I saw few sailboats (or power cruisers) under ~23-25 feet. Most were high 20's and up. Ditto the others' comments about motor size; a bigger motor won't push you any faster than hull speed and will weigh down your M15, and you would be fine with a 2-2.5 hp (Suzuki now makes a long-shaft version of their 2.5 hp, plus there's the Honda 2.3). Learning to understand & work with (or at least not fight head-on!) currents is part of sailing & seamanship skills. Maybe see you up in that area this coming season... welcome! John On 10/24/2018 05:49 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote:
Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks,
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi folks: Thanks for all the good information. I’m glad I joined up with the group. A lot of confidence building for my M15. I keep my boat at home in Boise. Heading to the San Juans means a 600 mile drive over Stevens Pass to avoid Seattle. I’ll probably be up there in January to sail Lake Washington and Lake Union with my son. I’ll also be over on Lopez Island just sailing in and out of the bays locally. I know, it’s winter but it’s the only time I have off. Again, keep me in the loop and if there is a Montgomery cruise in the San Juans this summer, please let me know. Really appreciate this website and all the threads. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Oct 24, 2018, at 12:06 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Re cruising San Juans and CDN gulf islands etc. in your "little" M15 - as a sea kayaker (as well as an M17 owner) I'll mention that "little" sea kayaks tour those areas regularly and quite well and safely.
Safety is more about skills, awareness and preparation than having a big huge boat... :-)
From my kayaking trip this summer, I can guesstimate that if you do cruise those areas in either size Monty, you'll often find yourself by far the smallest boat in most anchorages. In 10 days paddling various locations around Cortes island this past summer, I saw few sailboats (or power cruisers) under ~23-25 feet. Most were high 20's and up.
Ditto the others' comments about motor size; a bigger motor won't push you any faster than hull speed and will weigh down your M15, and you would be fine with a 2-2.5 hp (Suzuki now makes a long-shaft version of their 2.5 hp, plus there's the Honda 2.3).
Learning to understand & work with (or at least not fight head-on!) currents is part of sailing & seamanship skills.
Maybe see you up in that area this coming season...
welcome! John
On 10/24/2018 05:49 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote:
Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Peter, Try Hwy 12 from Walla Walla, then Hwy 101 N on the Olympic Peninsula to launch at Port Townsend to avoid the Seattle congestion. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member Hi folks: Thanks for all the good information. I’m glad I joined up with the group. A lot of confidence building for my M15. I keep my boat at home in Boise. Heading to the San Juans means a 600 mile drive over Stevens Pass to avoid Seattle. I’ll probably be up there in January to sail Lake Washington and Lake Union with my son. I’ll also be over on Lopez Island just sailing in and out of the bays locally. I know, it’s winter but it’s the only time I have off. Again, keep me in the loop and if there is a Montgomery cruise in the San Juans this summer, please let me know. Really appreciate this website and all the threads. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Oct 24, 2018, at 12:06 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Re cruising San Juans and CDN gulf islands etc. in your "little" M15 - as a sea kayaker (as well as an M17 owner) I'll mention that "little" sea kayaks tour those areas regularly and quite well and safely.
Safety is more about skills, awareness and preparation than having a big huge boat... :-)
From my kayaking trip this summer, I can guesstimate that if you do cruise those areas in either size Monty, you'll often find yourself by far the smallest boat in most anchorages. In 10 days paddling various locations around Cortes island this past summer, I saw few sailboats (or power cruisers) under ~23-25 feet. Most were high 20's and up.
Ditto the others' comments about motor size; a bigger motor won't push you any faster than hull speed and will weigh down your M15, and you would be fine with a 2-2.5 hp (Suzuki now makes a long-shaft version of their 2.5 hp, plus there's the Honda 2.3).
Learning to understand & work with (or at least not fight head-on!) currents is part of sailing & seamanship skills.
Maybe see you up in that area this coming season...
welcome! John
On 10/24/2018 05:49 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote:
Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Peter, I am in Port Townsend/Port Ludlow area as is another M15 owner. Give a shout if headed this way. Becky M17 “Grace” #393 Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Peter, Try Hwy 12 from Walla Walla, then Hwy 101 N on the Olympic Peninsula to launch at Port Townsend to avoid the Seattle congestion. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
Hi folks: Thanks for all the good information. I’m glad I joined up with the group. A lot of confidence building for my M15. I keep my boat at home in Boise. Heading to the San Juans means a 600 mile drive over Stevens Pass to avoid Seattle. I’ll probably be up there in January to sail Lake Washington and Lake Union with my son. I’ll also be over on Lopez Island just sailing in and out of the bays locally. I know, it’s winter but it’s the only time I have off. Again, keep me in the loop and if there is a Montgomery cruise in the San Juans this summer, please let me know. Really appreciate this website and all the threads.
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Oct 24, 2018, at 12:06 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Re cruising San Juans and CDN gulf islands etc. in your "little" M15 - as a sea kayaker (as well as an M17 owner) I'll mention that "little" sea kayaks tour those areas regularly and quite well and safely.
Safety is more about skills, awareness and preparation than having a big huge boat... :-)
From my kayaking trip this summer, I can guesstimate that if you do cruise those areas in either size Monty, you'll often find yourself by far the smallest boat in most anchorages. In 10 days paddling various locations around Cortes island this past summer, I saw few sailboats (or power cruisers) under ~23-25 feet. Most were high 20's and up.
Ditto the others' comments about motor size; a bigger motor won't push you any faster than hull speed and will weigh down your M15, and you would be fine with a 2-2.5 hp (Suzuki now makes a long-shaft version of their 2.5 hp, plus there's the Honda 2.3).
Learning to understand & work with (or at least not fight head-on!) currents is part of sailing & seamanship skills.
Maybe see you up in that area this coming season...
welcome! John
On 10/24/2018 05:49 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: Hi: Just joined the Montgomery boat owners’ mailing list. I own a 15-foot Montgomery that I sail once a week on my local reservoir in Idaho, Lucky Peak Reservoir. If the reservoir doesn’t freeze over, which it didn’t last year, I’m out all winter long. I’ve taken “Chinook Breeze” on two cruises in the San Juan Islands - Anacortes to Spencer Spit to Rosario to Friday Harbor to Roche Harbor to Sucia Island to Blakely Island to Anacortes. I do it with other sailors from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association (safety in numbers). I often wonder about the safety of a 15 footer in San Juan waters because of currents, etc. So far I haven’t had a problem. My four-stroke 4 horsepower has handled the currents but I’m thinking of a larger horsepower motor. I’ll have lots of questions in the future. Thanks, Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Talhequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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