Re: M_Boats: Canvas and Cars
Hey Josh, Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail. If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
What is a "self sheeting traveler"? On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM pin stop traveller. Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below. The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed operation. We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking to windward. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a "self sheeting traveler"?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
Sounds like what came as a former owner modification with my M-17 Pajarita. Your explanation helps me grok what was initially a somewhat confounding piece of hardware. So I'll be able to use it more effectively. However Pajarita's was mounted atop the cockpit seats, interfering with the lounging feature of the long cockpit, and increasing obstruction of companionway. I like how it works for windward trim, and, I don't like the seat and companionway interference. I am pondering re-mounting it between the cockpit seats - flush with top, or even a little below. This would somewhat reduce companionway obstruction, remove the seating/lounging interference, require cutting it down in width a bit, but retain most of the windward trim value. Any thoughts from anyone on that modification? thanks, John S. On 11/19/2015 12:27 PM, Bill Wickett wrote:
Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM pin stop traveller.
Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below.
The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed operation.
We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking to windward.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a "self sheeting traveler"?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I have my traveler mounted just in front of the hatch across the seats and ti works fine and does not obstruct the use of the seats. Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Sounds like what came as a former owner modification with my M-17 Pajarita. Your explanation helps me grok what was initially a somewhat confounding piece of hardware. So I'll be able to use it more effectively.
However Pajarita's was mounted atop the cockpit seats, interfering with the lounging feature of the long cockpit, and increasing obstruction of companionway.
I like how it works for windward trim, and, I don't like the seat and companionway interference. I am pondering re-mounting it between the cockpit seats - flush with top, or even a little below. This would somewhat reduce companionway obstruction, remove the seating/lounging interference, require cutting it down in width a bit, but retain most of the windward trim value.
Any thoughts from anyone on that modification?
thanks, John S.
On 11/19/2015 12:27 PM, Bill Wickett wrote:
Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM pin stop traveller.
Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below.
The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed operation.
We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking to windward.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a "self sheeting traveler"?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on
...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, I did exactly that only worked in the other direction. I removed the stock pin hole traveler bolted through the cockpit sole and built a shelf across the cockpit right beneath the companionway opening. I then installed a traveler with car at that elevation. It raised the sheeting angle quite a bit for upwind work and it does not hamper stepping into the cabin. A compromise of sorts but it works well overall. I also removed the bottom stock wooden sill that the companionway boards used to rest on and instead made some new boards that come right down onto my new shelf. Looks neater and is more waterproof. Did you see the message about the self releasing clam cleat for the top of your rudder? Wish I had known about that before I cubered up what I did using a strap of stainless steel and a clamp. Oh well, it WAS fun designing. Tom B. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 3:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Sounds like what came as a former owner modification with my M-17 Pajarita. Your explanation helps me grok what was initially a somewhat confounding piece of hardware. So I'll be able to use it more effectively.
However Pajarita's was mounted atop the cockpit seats, interfering with the lounging feature of the long cockpit, and increasing obstruction of companionway.
I like how it works for windward trim, and, I don't like the seat and companionway interference. I am pondering re-mounting it between the cockpit seats - flush with top, or even a little below. This would somewhat reduce companionway obstruction, remove the seating/lounging interference, require cutting it down in width a bit, but retain most of the windward trim value.
Any thoughts from anyone on that modification?
thanks, John S.
On 11/19/2015 12:27 PM, Bill Wickett wrote:
Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM pin stop traveller.
Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below.
The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed operation.
We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking to windward.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a "self sheeting traveler"?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on
...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Bill, A picture would be great. Are you using an endless line through all your adjustment blocks and cleats? Thanks, Tom On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Bones may have meant a windward sheeting traveller. Harken makes this. Has been one of the best additions to Makin' Time I have made. I have been much more likely to make traveller adjustments with it as a habit, vs the OEM pin stop traveller.
Requires new track as well as a new car, and a couple of standing blocks (optional)and strap eyes on the sides of the cockpit well. The new track did not have the same hole spacing as the old unfortunately. So a bit of time potting the old holes and oversize drilling, potting and redrilling the new holes. Was so worth it for me. Oh yeah, crawling under the cockpit and hack sawing off the projecting bolt ends. We stored a fair bit of stuff there and it was surprising how much difference a 1/2" extra bolt length meant in not catching on stuff. Cut them off while on a 25nm passage across Lake Ontario. Put the tiller pilot on, Julie kept watch and I went below.
The leeward pressure of the main sheet connected to the traveller car opens the leeward cam cleat, allowing you to pull to windward to get the car above center, without having to uncleat the leeward car. That same leeward pressure allows the windward cam cleat to close. A very one handed operation.
We use the traveller adjustment much more than the main sheet when tacking to windward.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
What is a "self sheeting traveler"?
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:59 AM, bownez@juno.com <bownez@juno.com> wrote:
Hey Josh,
Sean Mulligan had the only M23 I have seen with a dodger. He sold Dauntless to some other M boat folks. I have jib cars on my M23, I think most folks just clip blocks onto the toe rail.
If you are anxious to spend money on hardware, I would recommend a self sheeting traveler. I love mine.
Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Easy Ways to Destroy Your Digestion Hattaka K et al, "Effect of long term consumption of probiotic milk on ... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/564dd6041d26e560346bast01vuc
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