Hi shipmates, I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps). Thanks for any help, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
Rick...the floor is cored with two 1/4 inch balsa sheets, lam'd together with a mat and 18 ounce woven roving on the bottom side that overlaps. The cockpit sides above the floor are a solid layup of glass (and woven roving) and does not have core material. For the sides just drill the #10 holes with a 3/16th drill, bed the hardware in Boatlife caulk (not 5200) using some stainless washers and lock nuts on the backside. Measure twice, drill once. Take care Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0500 From: jdavies104@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice needed
Hi shipmates,
I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps).
Thanks for any help,
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ..... Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com>wrote:
Rick...the floor is cored with two 1/4 inch balsa sheets, lam'd together with a mat and 18 ounce woven roving on the bottom side that overlaps.
The cockpit sides above the floor are a solid layup of glass (and woven roving) and does not have core material.
For the sides just drill the #10 holes with a 3/16th drill, bed the hardware in Boatlife caulk (not 5200) using some stainless washers and lock nuts on the backside.
Measure twice, drill once.
Take care Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0500 From: jdavies104@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice needed
Hi shipmates,
I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps).
Thanks for any help,
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
So true! Rick I have a windward sheeting car coming and new track too. Will be doing the same. Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #623 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow .....
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com
wrote:
Rick...the floor is cored with two 1/4 inch balsa sheets, lam'd together with a mat and 18 ounce woven roving on the bottom side that overlaps.
The cockpit sides above the floor are a solid layup of glass (and woven roving) and does not have core material.
For the sides just drill the #10 holes with a 3/16th drill, bed the hardware in Boatlife caulk (not 5200) using some stainless washers and
lock
nuts on the backside.
Measure twice, drill once.
Take care Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0500 From: jdavies104@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice needed
Hi shipmates,
I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps).
Thanks for any help,
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
"Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ....." Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L HA! ~:0)
You will like this set-up. I switched to this car copying Larry Yake a few years back. Excellent control upgrade. A small mod I did is attach my main sheet via a short climbing strap to bring the mechanism up to about seat level. I think this change makes freeing the sheet much easier. Just my 2 cents. Tom On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
"Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ....." Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
HA! ~:0)
Any thoughts on the best way (or whether) to mount turning blocks at the track ends? I found a small swivel-base becket block at Duckworks (RL-306-1/4") that looks like it will do the job. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, February 25, 2012, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
You will like this set-up. I switched to this car copying Larry Yake a few years back. Excellent control upgrade.
A small mod I did is attach my main sheet via a short climbing strap to bring the mechanism up to about seat level. I think this change makes freeing the sheet much easier. Just my 2 cents. Tom
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
"Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ....." Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
HA! ~:0)
Tom, With the mechanism raised like that do you experience any banging on the cockpit walls?? Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Smith To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed You will like this set-up. I switched to this car copying Larry Yake a few years back. Excellent control upgrade. A small mod I did is attach my main sheet via a short climbing strap to bring the mechanism up to about seat level. I think this change makes freeing the sheet much easier. Just my 2 cents. Tom On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
"Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ....." Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
HA! ~:0)
Hi Joe. You are correct, that can be a problem (banging the seat, actually, which is problematic whether you raise the block or not...). I solved it to my satisfaction by enclosing the entire mechanism in a kayak pogie. That's the neoprene thingee boaters use in cold weather to attach to the shaft of the paddle to keep their hands warm. I had a pair hanging around from my whitewater kayaking days. The lines exit the pogie up and down through where the paddle shaft was, the the control line exits where the boater inserted his or her hand. Works pretty good. tom On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Tom, With the mechanism raised like that do you experience any banging on the cockpit walls?? Joe SeaFrog
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Smith To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed
You will like this set-up. I switched to this car copying Larry Yake a few years back. Excellent control upgrade.
A small mod I did is attach my main sheet via a short climbing strap to bring the mechanism up to about seat level. I think this change makes freeing the sheet much easier. Just my 2 cents. Tom
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote: > "Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about > twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few > more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, > then decide to do it tomorrow ....." > Rick > M-17 #633 > Lynne L > > > HA! ~:0) > >
Very Clever!! Amazing how we bring in other activities into trailer sailing, i.e., kayaking, backpacking, etc. Joe SeaFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Smith To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed Hi Joe. You are correct, that can be a problem (banging the seat, actually, which is problematic whether you raise the block or not...). I solved it to my satisfaction by enclosing the entire mechanism in a kayak pogie. That's the neoprene thingee boaters use in cold weather to attach to the shaft of the paddle to keep their hands warm. I had a pair hanging around from my whitewater kayaking days. The lines exit the pogie up and down through where the paddle shaft was, the the control line exits where the boater inserted his or her hand. Works pretty good. tom On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Tom, With the mechanism raised like that do you experience any banging on the cockpit walls?? Joe SeaFrog
----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Smith To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed
You will like this set-up. I switched to this car copying Larry Yake a few years back. Excellent control upgrade.
A small mod I did is attach my main sheet via a short climbing strap to bring the mechanism up to about seat level. I think this change makes freeing the sheet much easier. Just my 2 cents. Tom
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
"Thanks, Bob. Actually, when I drill holes in the boat, I measure about twenty times, check the drill bit, think about it some more, measure a few more times just to be sure, crack a beer, take a walk, check the weather, then decide to do it tomorrow ....." Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
HA! ~:0)
Bob, Similar question here. Is there any core in the aft horizontal surface of the coaming (backrest)? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed Rick...the floor is cored with two 1/4 inch balsa sheets, lam'd together with a mat and 18 ounce woven roving on the bottom side that overlaps. The cockpit sides above the floor are a solid layup of glass (and woven roving) and does not have core material. For the sides just drill the #10 holes with a 3/16th drill, bed the hardware in Boatlife caulk (not 5200) using some stainless washers and lock nuts on the backside. Measure twice, drill once. Take care Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0500 From: jdavies104@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice needed
Hi shipmates,
I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps).
Thanks for any help,
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
Hi Joe....no. Only core on the flat surfaces of the cockpit floor and seats. Later...Bob
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:44:08 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed
Bob, Similar question here. Is there any core in the aft horizontal surface of the coaming (backrest)? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice needed
Rick...the floor is cored with two 1/4 inch balsa sheets, lam'd together with a mat and 18 ounce woven roving on the bottom side that overlaps.
The cockpit sides above the floor are a solid layup of glass (and woven roving) and does not have core material.
For the sides just drill the #10 holes with a 3/16th drill, bed the hardware in Boatlife caulk (not 5200) using some stainless washers and lock nuts on the backside.
Measure twice, drill once.
Take care Bob Eeg www.montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:39:52 -0500 From: jdavies104@gmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Advice needed
Hi shipmates,
I'm putting a new traveler track and Harken windward sheeting car on my M-17cockpit floor, and plan to mount turning blocks on the vertical cockpit side at each end of the track. The blocks will mount with #10 bolts. My question is does the cockpit side at that point have a balsa core? If so, I'd have to drill oversize, epoxy, and redrill. If I have to do this, what size holes should I drill for the oversize hole and the redrill? I used to have this data somewhere, but can't find it anymore. (I'm having this problem more and more these days - getting old ain't for wimps).
Thanks for any help,
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
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