Hi all, I've got some time and have no material. If any of you have pics that you would like added to your existing album, or if you would like to put your boat in an album, or just a picture for the MSOG Boats and Owners section. Email me... Bill M-17 Tipperary
Hi we just acquired an M17 about 6 mths ago that had been sitting on a trailer at the coast for the last 8 years. She has been in our backyard getting an entensive make over and we just had our trial sail on Sunday in Morro Bay, CA. I would love to send you some of her pictures. 1980 M17 H -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of BILLAMICASR@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Need Material... Hi all, I've got some time and have no material. If any of you have pics that you would like added to your existing album, or if you would like to put your boat in an album, or just a picture for the MSOG Boats and Owners section. Email me... Bill M-17 Tipperary _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Looking forward to seeing those pics on Bill's site! Hope you send him some "before 'n after" ... ----- Original Message ----- From: brooke townsend To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Need Material... Hi we just acquired an M17 about 6 mths ago that had been sitting on a trailer at the coast for the last 8 years. She has been in our backyard getting an entensive make over and we just had our trial sail on Sunday in Morro Bay, CA. I would love to send you some of her pictures. 1980 M17 H -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of BILLAMICASR@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Need Material... Hi all, I've got some time and have no material. If any of you have pics that you would like added to your existing album, or if you would like to put your boat in an album, or just a picture for the MSOG Boats and Owners section. Email me... Bill M-17 Tipperary _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
1980 Hull#326 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+pacbeach=thegrid.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of BILLAMICASR@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Need Material... Hi all, I've got some time and have no material. If any of you have pics that you would like added to your existing album, or if you would like to put your boat in an album, or just a picture for the MSOG Boats and Owners section. Email me... Bill M-17 Tipperary _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Well I finally got the chance to cross Corpus Christi Bay. I have been doing "little" backyard sails 2-3 times a month for the last year. Checking the rigging and tuning sails, at most 2 hour mini-sails. So I decided to cross the bay to "La Bahia" marina in Ingleside-on-the-Bay, roughly a 20+ mile upwind sail in a Bay that averages 12-14 feet in depth. Not to mention a 45' deep Port channel that leads out to the Gulf of Mexico, busy with large tanker and barge traffic. It started out with a motorsail in 5 knot winds, did this for the first hour and I got almost 1/2 way out when the wind picked up to 15 knots. I was ok but soon spotted a line of ominous clouds gathering behind me and coming my way. Trying to avoid a panic later on, I diligently thought I should reef before I needed to. After about 3 accidental jibes I finally was able to get her to hove to, only she was abreast to the waves at about a 90 degree angle to the wind. Of course I couldn't reach the reef points so I fired up the motor and plowed her into the wind. I was then able to reef the main and settle down for the wind increase. It was 96 degrees in the shade, problem was there was no shade. That was a big concern since without a bimini top you just broil big time. It took me two hours to beat up the channel the last hour with motor support since the traffic increased as I got closer to the turn off channel. I was using paper charts and a gps (meridian marine w/ navcharts) you really cant use those tiny screens, they are ok for general purpose but if you are single handing in a strange place and concentrating on boat traffic, you need a chart where you can see the big picture at a glance. I finally got to the marina where upon docking a beautiful girl on a "Dolphin Tour" boat greeted me with a "That's a nice boat". "This old thing" I replied modestly. I gratefully took my cooler and sat in the shade. Now I could concentrate on the charts and see where I had just come from. Finishing my lunch, Jim Johnson a local liveaboard came over to say hello and point out a couple of short cuts. I felt very good that I had finally made a "big" voyage. After another half hour of visiting it was time to go. The wind was now a steady 17 knots luckily it was now coming off my stern. I took the short cuts and when I was once again in open waters, the next adventure began. The wind was to overpowering to sail anything other than a very close haul or a broad reach, not to bad except for the 3-4 ft waves that would push you into the wind and then heel you over so bad the rudder would loose its bite for a split second. That went on for a long time until I got my rhumb line to point me in the direction of my home port than I was running for about 10 miles, finally I could relax my grip on the tiller and get circulation back into my fingers. I made it home but was shell shocked the rest of the evening. Next morning I felt like I had been run over by a truck and the truck backed up and ran me over again. I decided I did not like going out with this boat in these conditions, problem is that this were normal condition here. The boat handled beautifully and my confidence level for its capabilities have increased. She could have taken on more wind and waves and I would still have still felt safe. Gilbert Landin Montgomery 17 Sagita #49
Gilbert, Thanks for the tale! 96* in the shade: ugh. I don't know how you do it! I know what you mean about singlehanded navigating/sailing when the boat is bouncing all around. Keeps ya busier than a one-armed paperhanger. My first longer beat in Busca in windier conditions sure left me sore the next day too, but since then they don't bother me as much. It seems to be mostly a matter of getting used to the motion and relaxing rather than tensing and bracing. "...where upon docking a beautiful girl on a "Dolphin Tour" boat greeted me..." How's come it's always a middle-aged balding man like myself greeting me? Any tips? *grin* Tod
Todd, That was jim Johnson (middle-aged and balding). He had a beautiful Bristol 50 footer center cockpit. Man, now that was a freaking RV with sails. gil -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@bright.net Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:40 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: crossing the bay Gilbert, Thanks for the tale! 96* in the shade: ugh. I don't know how you do it! I know what you mean about singlehanded navigating/sailing when the boat is bouncing all around. Keeps ya busier than a one-armed paperhanger. My first longer beat in Busca in windier conditions sure left me sore the next day too, but since then they don't bother me as much. It seems to be mostly a matter of getting used to the motion and relaxing rather than tensing and bracing. "...where upon docking a beautiful girl on a "Dolphin Tour" boat greeted me..." How's come it's always a middle-aged balding man like myself greeting me? Any tips? *grin* Tod _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi Gilbert Sounds like a "memorable" voyage, I sail a Monty 17 in Galveston and Matagorda Bays, and know how fast the waves can kick up in these Bays. (Shallow water + large open area) I found the best way to control my boat is to drop the Jib, it handles rough conditions very well this way, & easier than furling. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: crossing the bay
Well I finally got the chance to cross Corpus Christi Bay. I have been doing "little" backyard sails 2-3 times a month for the last year. Checking the rigging and tuning sails, at most 2 hour mini-sails. So I decided to cross the bay to "La Bahia" marina in Ingleside-on-the-Bay, roughly a 20+ mile upwind sail in a Bay that averages 12-14 feet in depth. Not to mention a 45' deep Port channel that leads out to the Gulf of Mexico, busy with large tanker and barge traffic. It started out with a motorsail in 5 knot winds, did this for the first hour and I got almost 1/2 way out when the wind picked up to 15 knots. I was ok but soon spotted a line of ominous clouds gathering behind me and coming my way. Trying to avoid a panic later on, I diligently thought I should reef before I needed to. After about 3 accidental jibes I finally was able to get her to hove to, only she was abreast to the waves at about a 90 degree angle to the wind. Of course I couldn't reach the reef points so I fired up the motor and plowed her into the wind. I was then able to reef the main and settle down for the wind increase. It was 96 degrees in the shade, problem was there was no shade. That was a big concern since without a bimini top you just broil big time. It took me two hours to beat up the channel the last hour with motor support since the traffic increased as I got closer to the turn off channel. I was using paper charts and a gps (meridian marine w/ navcharts) you really cant use those tiny screens, they are ok for general purpose but if you are single handing in a strange place and concentrating on boat traffic, you need a chart where you can see the big picture at a glance. I finally got to the marina where upon docking a beautiful girl on a "Dolphin Tour" boat greeted me with a "That's a nice boat". "This old thing" I replied modestly. I gratefully took my cooler and sat in the shade. Now I could concentrate on the charts and see where I had just come from. Finishing my lunch, Jim Johnson a local liveaboard came over to say hello and point out a couple of short cuts. I felt very good that I had finally made a "big" voyage. After another half hour of visiting it was time to go. The wind was now a steady 17 knots luckily it was now coming off my stern. I took the short cuts and when I was once again in open waters, the next adventure began. The wind was to overpowering to sail anything other than a very close haul or a broad reach, not to bad except for the 3-4 ft waves that would push you into the wind and then heel you over so bad the rudder would loose its bite for a split second. That went on for a long time until I got my rhumb line to point me in the direction of my home port than I was running for about 10 miles, finally I could relax my grip on the tiller and get circulation back into my fingers. I made it home but was shell shocked the rest of the evening. Next morning I felt like I had been run over by a truck and the truck backed up and ran me over again. I decided I did not like going out with this boat in these conditions, problem is that this were normal condition here. The boat handled beautifully and my confidence level for its capabilities have increased. She could have taken on more wind and waves and I would still have still felt safe.
Gilbert Landin Montgomery 17 Sagita #49
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Thanks Wayne, I added a furling jib a couple of months ago, and it has been the best addition ever. Its great to furl and unfurl from the cockpit when you need better control. My biggest surprise was going through the wake of one of the big tankers, just as I was pondering the water being displaced by these giants, I looked up and saw a wake that was easily twice as big as the chop, to me it was like looking at a tsunami coming towards me. I have to say I started to panic and threw my cell phone and handheld VHF into the cockpit just in case, I had no idea what to expect, I pointed her bow into the wakes and held on. To my surprise the boat rose with the wake and dropped with no problem at all, a little extra bobbing and the wakes were gone. Nothing to it, kinda scary being the first time, heck I imagine it would still be scary if it was the second or third time. I imagine a broadside approach to a 5+ foot wake would be worse. gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Yeargain Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:04 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: crossing the bay Hi Gilbert Sounds like a "memorable" voyage, I sail a Monty 17 in Galveston and Matagorda Bays, and know how fast the waves can kick up in these Bays. (Shallow water + large open area) I found the best way to control my boat is to drop the Jib, it handles rough conditions very well this way, & easier than furling. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: crossing the bay
Well I finally got the chance to cross Corpus Christi Bay. I have been doing "little" backyard sails 2-3 times a month for the last year. Checking the rigging and tuning sails, at most 2 hour mini-sails. So I decided to cross the bay to "La Bahia" marina in Ingleside-on-the-Bay, roughly a 20+ mile upwind sail in a Bay that averages 12-14 feet in depth. Not to mention a 45' deep Port channel that leads out to the Gulf of Mexico, busy with large tanker and barge traffic. It started out with a motorsail in 5 knot winds, did this for the first hour and I got almost 1/2 way out when the wind picked up to 15 knots. I was ok but soon spotted a line of ominous clouds gathering behind me and coming my way. Trying to avoid a panic later on, I diligently thought I should reef before I needed to. After about 3 accidental jibes I finally was able to get her to hove to, only she was abreast to the waves at about a 90 degree angle to the wind. Of course I couldn't reach the reef points so I fired up the motor and plowed her into the wind. I was then able to reef the main and settle down for the wind increase. It was 96 degrees in the shade, problem was there was no shade. That was a big concern since without a bimini top you just broil big time. It took me two hours to beat up the channel the last hour with motor support since the traffic increased as I got closer to the turn off channel. I was using paper charts and a gps (meridian marine w/ navcharts) you really cant use those tiny screens, they are ok for general purpose but if you are single handing in a strange place and concentrating on boat traffic, you need a chart where you can see the big picture at a glance. I finally got to the marina where upon docking a beautiful girl on a "Dolphin Tour" boat greeted me with a "That's a nice boat". "This old thing" I replied modestly. I gratefully took my cooler and sat in the shade. Now I could concentrate on the charts and see where I had just come from. Finishing my lunch, Jim Johnson a local liveaboard came over to say hello and point out a couple of short cuts. I felt very good that I had finally made a "big" voyage. After another half hour of visiting it was time to go. The wind was now a steady 17 knots luckily it was now coming off my stern. I took the short cuts and when I was once again in open waters, the next adventure began. The wind was to overpowering to sail anything other than a very close haul or a broad reach, not to bad except for the 3-4 ft waves that would push you into the wind and then heel you over so bad the rudder would loose its bite for a split second. That went on for a long time until I got my rhumb line to point me in the direction of my home port than I was running for about 10 miles, finally I could relax my grip on the tiller and get circulation back into my fingers. I made it home but was shell shocked the rest of the evening. Next morning I felt like I had been run over by a truck and the truck backed up and ran me over again. I decided I did not like going out with this boat in these conditions, problem is that this were normal condition here. The boat handled beautifully and my confidence level for its capabilities have increased. She could have taken on more wind and waves and I would still have still felt safe.
Gilbert Landin Montgomery 17 Sagita #49
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BILLAMICASR＠aol.com -
brooke townsend -
Craig F. Honshell -
Gilbert Landin -
htmills＠bright.net -
Wayne Yeargain