Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 155, Issue 38
I know TS has had some 'personal' issues in past - and let's not go there now - but it does seem like a logical home for wrinkleheads. Dunno, I enjoy/learn from this mail-list, but it's awfully tedious at times. Then again I'm a newcomer that mostly lurks, so whadda I know! The old MSOG is an awesome resource. I just with we had a slightly less cumbersome 'home' :-} Carry on... a On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Keith R. Martin) 2. Re: M_Boats :M-15 ? Old Rope (Steve Trapp) 3. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bill Wickett) 4. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bruce Ward) 5. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bill Wickett) 6. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 7. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 9. Re: Old Rope (Thomas Buzzi) 10. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 11. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:49:23 -0800 From: "Keith R. Martin" <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CAOQkDswAUgrXV9bTJh-xH1Jb0_3= eC_qbXvettjW-KZzQ0QE1g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:07:40 -0800 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :M-15 ? Old Rope Message-ID: <7827316E2EA94ECF8193227F8AEC550F@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original
Dave, A similar chart for the M-15 would be useful too. I remember asking you about the M-15 sheets and lines at Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend, jotting the information in my notebook, then going into the WoodenBoat Foundation Chandlery with my VISA card in hand and buying what I needed, but I would appreciate the information again in a format like you used for the M-17. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:13 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Old Rope
All lines below double braid -
Main halyard = 1/4" Jib halyard = 5/16" Reefing lines =3/16" Cunningham =3/16" If your hands can stand 1/4" for jib sheets; otherwise 5/16" Main sheet 5/16" Mainsheet traveler = 3/16" Boom vang will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size. Backstay adjuster will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size.
Hope the above is helpful.
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 22, 2016 7:11 PM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
Need to replace all the rotted rope on what is becoming my M17. (By ?all the rotted rope? I mean _all_ the rope.) The pieces that are left measure 5/16?. That looks right for the halyards and incidentals, but the sheet blocks and cleats look like they were intended for something larger. What is (are) the usual sizes?
About the only piece that isn?t coming apart is the centerboard pendant. It?s tempting to leave it alone as I don?t really have a plan for getting at the centerboard.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:01:07 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <94A6427F-2B54-47AE-BF3A-388828225801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:13:28 -0800 From: Bruce Ward <northwave@telus.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CE5A78EC-A4E5-4820-827C-7537C7293569@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for your continuing efforts Dave Scobie and Sage boats with the Mboatphotosite. My two Mongomeries went through quite a metamorphosis and I have pictures to share. Our current boat is the M23 Clarity which we got from Jeff a couple of years ago.
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:19:46 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <51F10255-6CCA-482C-B269-7075E59D5415@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:17:54 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAXbim4Vyi11jpgFWvw30D02cSmE5uhYsg7hKh9voK= 0CQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
John would I have to make Yahoo my home page? I have gmail and Mozilla Firefox now. Yahoo seems to be all ads. I guess I am totally unfamiliar with your suggestion. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:19:09 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUSw2F=gPWOGtyFkDO1P=FSbx01Ejjx_jtb4L_oX= 6pNw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Now that I have accessed my email again I am at the end of my knowledge of what you just spoke about. sorry. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
The MSOG site doesn't seem to get frequent updates anymore.
What do you guys think about starting a Montgomery/Sage Wiki that anyone can edit or upload to? It would be sort-of like wikipedia, but just for Montgomery sailboats.
We could run something on a free tier Amazon Web Services (AWS) server, but it would have an awful computer generated random hostname of some sort.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51:39 PM Subject: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 8 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:20:26 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUsO26pSr4tfMiteaJMP8=FccCwmbjWTC3DZ= baBvvBRQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Sounds good. Any idea when? < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Msogphotosite isn't done with an update and yet ready for new photos. It will be!
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 26, 2016 4:52 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:24:15 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Old Rope Message-ID: < CA+TbpAVuyK+gFGc_mDhqyuh_7hTm1MUif0aP-385s7f0bE9o1w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Henry, I was thinking of having a small heater on board with you just to see how condensation affected you or any other things you might have not thought of so haven't addressed until you have been surprised on a lake somewhere far away from your shop. Google "Bailing Out On Texoma Sailfest" and you will get the low down on what the festivities entail. Tom
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Sleeping outdoors during a Minnesota winter has never been very high on my list of things to do, and it certainly is not going to make my bucket list this year. I don't care if it is on a boat, it is still Outdoors!
Tell me more about the Texoma gathering. That is stil a long way for me but might be something to put on the bucket list.
Henry
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Henry, Next January is far enough away that it might be possible to include a trip to AZ. in my wife's and my travel wishes for 2017. I would really like to make one of those. It is great fun sailing with similar or same boats. And the other half of the fun is finding out what others do to solve problems or make their boats more comfortable. I am shooting this year for the get together on lake Texoma north of Dallas. It is a 500 mile haul so a good shakedown trip for even longer adventures. Have you tried sleeping aboard your boat where it is stored for the winter? That would be very informative, I bet. I use that "Trailer Sailor " site. Will look into posting some pictures there of my grand bateau.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Tom, I don't think the turning radius of the sheaves will be a problem. Dyneema/Spectra is being used to replace towing cables on ocean going tug boats where it is repeatedly wound around winches. Off-road enthusiasts are using it on their truck mounted winches. It is also being used in the logging industry instead of logging chains. I'm sure there is a minimum turning radius for a given diameter of line. I haven't googled it but I don't think the sheaves on our wee ships will cause a problem. (As long as they are grooved for rope, not wire.). The main and jib halyards do not turn 180 degrees on single sheaves anyway. They turn 90 degrees on one side of the mast, go across the masthead, and then turn down 90 degrees on the other side. (Can't find the *~?!^* "degree" key on this keyboard!)
Even if the halyard were to lose 50% of its strength because of improper turning radii it would still have a breaking strength of 1000 lb!
Tom, any chance of you going to GO's WICR in Phoenix next January? I'm going to do my best to get there (from Minneapolis.). I would love to see your boat in person and steal/ swap ideas! Got some great ideas when I went last year. In the mean time, post lots of pictures!
Which brings up another subject: can we post new pictures or albums on the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO sites? I'll post that question on a new thread so as not to hijack this one.
Henry
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Henry, I thought of using that stuff too. Am curious how it stands up to being rolled over sheaves like at the mast head, repeatedly. I read it doesn't hold knots well but it is easy to eyesplice. Neat idea about covering it with the outer shell of older lines. Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Henry Rodriguez < heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
I am using 1/8" Dyneema for jib,spinnaker,and main halyards. The 1/8" size is as strong as 1/8" wire (2000 lbs), easy to splice, and is so light it floats. I added a 1/4" cover to the tail end of each halyard to make it easier to handle. I obtained the covers by pulling the cores out of some old 1/4" double braid I had laying around. I threaded the Dyneema through the covers with a small diameter knitting needle. I am going to experiment this spring with adding an additional 5/16 or 3/8" cover over the few feet of halyard tail that actually goes around the winch and into the cleat, the part you really pull on. The covers are strictly for comfort/convenience. The Dyneema alone is extremely strong, lightweight, and has Zero stretch.
FWIW, Amsteel Blue 1/8" Dyneema is $0.46/ft at West Marine. We just missed their annual Bulk Rope Sale where, if I remember correctly, it was $.029/ft! Don't be fooled by the name Amsteel Blue. It comes in a variety of colors.
APSLTD.com is still having their January rigging sale offering 25% off their regular prices. They also sell 1/8" Amsteel Blue Dyneema for $0.46/ft but the sale price brings it to $0.35.
APS has lots of cool information about covering halyards, stripping halyards, etc. They carry just about every kind of sailboat line available and give lots of guidance on choosing the best line for a particular purpose. Their print catalog makes for good winter browsing, ask for one.
Henry Monita M17 Chiquita VN 23
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Conbert Benneck < chbenneck@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> On 1/26/2016 9:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > If you go to a WEST Marine catalog you can find dacron or other special > lines, with a small diameter but very high tensile strength. Maybe you > might consider replacing a halyard with one of these. More than enough > strength for the job, but very small and light weight. > > Connie > >> Thin lines aloft help deal with windage (drag and making the hull roll off >> to leeward). I have found that going to something like 3/8 on the main >> sheet helps my hands grip the line more comfortably though. >> < >>
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Message: 10 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:26:18 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUK= SQDjN+ro9a5rCtsWB1R2LjMhhaue9fPucOZjecQNA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Ok. lets all use that for photos. We can refer to that if we want to show pictures of what we are doing with our boats now. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:28:12 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: < CA+TbpAVrsTmokLW38joV7C-P18kNL16QNQQfxy0Rih7kH6TgZg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez < heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I > have > looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing > picture > many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different > projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor > site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like > on > MSOG. > > Henry > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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I personally find the Trailer Sailor website extremely difficult to use, and often get nonsense error messages when trying to post. It's essentially 1990s era forum software- whereas at least the e-mail list allows us to use modern e-mail software. Tyler
On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Antonio Martinez <middleriverstudio@gmail.com> wrote:
I know TS has had some 'personal' issues in past - and let's not go there now - but it does seem like a logical home for wrinkleheads. Dunno, I enjoy/learn from this mail-list, but it's awfully tedious at times. Then again I'm a newcomer that mostly lurks, so whadda I know!
The old MSOG is an awesome resource. I just with we had a slightly less cumbersome 'home' :-}
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1. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Keith R. Martin) 2. Re: M_Boats :M-15 ? Old Rope (Steve Trapp) 3. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bill Wickett) 4. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bruce Ward) 5. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Bill Wickett) 6. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 7. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 9. Re: Old Rope (Thomas Buzzi) 10. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi) 11. Re: Where to post Pictures to the Group? (Thomas Buzzi)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:49:23 -0800 From: "Keith R. Martin" <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CAOQkDswAUgrXV9bTJh-xH1Jb0_3= eC_qbXvettjW-KZzQ0QE1g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:07:40 -0800 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :M-15 ? Old Rope Message-ID: <7827316E2EA94ECF8193227F8AEC550F@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original
Dave, A similar chart for the M-15 would be useful too. I remember asking you about the M-15 sheets and lines at Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend, jotting the information in my notebook, then going into the WoodenBoat Foundation Chandlery with my VISA card in hand and buying what I needed, but I would appreciate the information again in a format like you used for the M-17. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 5:13 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Old Rope
All lines below double braid -
Main halyard = 1/4" Jib halyard = 5/16" Reefing lines =3/16" Cunningham =3/16" If your hands can stand 1/4" for jib sheets; otherwise 5/16" Main sheet 5/16" Mainsheet traveler = 3/16" Boom vang will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size. Backstay adjuster will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size.
Hope the above is helpful.
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 22, 2016 7:11 PM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
Need to replace all the rotted rope on what is becoming my M17. (By ?all the rotted rope? I mean _all_ the rope.) The pieces that are left measure 5/16?. That looks right for the halyards and incidentals, but the sheet blocks and cleats look like they were intended for something larger. What is (are) the usual sizes?
About the only piece that isn?t coming apart is the centerboard pendant. It?s tempting to leave it alone as I don?t really have a plan for getting at the centerboard.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:01:07 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <94A6427F-2B54-47AE-BF3A-388828225801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:13:28 -0800 From: Bruce Ward <northwave@telus.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CE5A78EC-A4E5-4820-827C-7537C7293569@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for your continuing efforts Dave Scobie and Sage boats with the Mboatphotosite. My two Mongomeries went through quite a metamorphosis and I have pictures to share. Our current boat is the M23 Clarity which we got from Jeff a couple of years ago.
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:19:46 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <51F10255-6CCA-482C-B269-7075E59D5415@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I > have > looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing > picture > many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different > projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor > site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like > on > MSOG. > > Henry > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:17:54 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAXbim4Vyi11jpgFWvw30D02cSmE5uhYsg7hKh9voK= 0CQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
John would I have to make Yahoo my home page? I have gmail and Mozilla Firefox now. Yahoo seems to be all ads. I guess I am totally unfamiliar with your suggestion. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:19:09 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUSw2F=gPWOGtyFkDO1P=FSbx01Ejjx_jtb4L_oX= 6pNw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
The MSOG site doesn't seem to get frequent updates anymore.
What do you guys think about starting a Montgomery/Sage Wiki that anyone can edit or upload to? It would be sort-of like wikipedia, but just for Montgomery sailboats.
We could run something on a free tier Amazon Web Services (AWS) server, but it would have an awful computer generated random hostname of some sort.
Sincerely, Tyler
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Msogphotosite isn't done with an update and yet ready for new photos. It will be!
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 26, 2016 4:52 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:24:15 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Old Rope Message-ID: < CA+TbpAVuyK+gFGc_mDhqyuh_7hTm1MUif0aP-385s7f0bE9o1w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Henry, I was thinking of having a small heater on board with you just to see how condensation affected you or any other things you might have not thought of so haven't addressed until you have been surprised on a lake somewhere far away from your shop. Google "Bailing Out On Texoma Sailfest" and you will get the low down on what the festivities entail. Tom
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Sleeping outdoors during a Minnesota winter has never been very high on my list of things to do, and it certainly is not going to make my bucket list this year. I don't care if it is on a boat, it is still Outdoors!
Tell me more about the Texoma gathering. That is stil a long way for me but might be something to put on the bucket list.
Henry
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Henry, Next January is far enough away that it might be possible to include a trip to AZ. in my wife's and my travel wishes for 2017. I would really like to make one of those. It is great fun sailing with similar or same boats. And the other half of the fun is finding out what others do to solve problems or make their boats more comfortable. I am shooting this year for the get together on lake Texoma north of Dallas. It is a 500 mile haul so a good shakedown trip for even longer adventures. Have you tried sleeping aboard your boat where it is stored for the winter? That would be very informative, I bet. I use that "Trailer Sailor " site. Will look into posting some pictures there of my grand bateau.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Tom, I don't think the turning radius of the sheaves will be a problem. Dyneema/Spectra is being used to replace towing cables on ocean going tug boats where it is repeatedly wound around winches. Off-road enthusiasts are using it on their truck mounted winches. It is also being used in the logging industry instead of logging chains. I'm sure there is a minimum turning radius for a given diameter of line. I haven't googled it but I don't think the sheaves on our wee ships will cause a problem. (As long as they are grooved for rope, not wire.). The main and jib halyards do not turn 180 degrees on single sheaves anyway. They turn 90 degrees on one side of the mast, go across the masthead, and then turn down 90 degrees on the other side. (Can't find the *~?!^* "degree" key on this keyboard!)
Even if the halyard were to lose 50% of its strength because of improper turning radii it would still have a breaking strength of 1000 lb!
Tom, any chance of you going to GO's WICR in Phoenix next January? I'm going to do my best to get there (from Minneapolis.). I would love to see your boat in person and steal/ swap ideas! Got some great ideas when I went last year. In the mean time, post lots of pictures!
Which brings up another subject: can we post new pictures or albums on the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO sites? I'll post that question on a new thread so as not to hijack this one.
Henry
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Henry, I thought of using that stuff too. Am curious how it stands up to being rolled over sheaves like at the mast head, repeatedly. I read it doesn't hold knots well but it is easy to eyesplice. Neat idea about covering it with the outer shell of older lines. Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Henry Rodriguez < heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> I am using 1/8" Dyneema for jib,spinnaker,and main halyards. The 1/8" size > is as strong as 1/8" wire (2000 lbs), easy to splice, and is so light it > floats. I added a 1/4" cover to the tail end of each halyard to make > it easier to handle. I obtained the covers by pulling the cores out of > some old 1/4" double braid I had laying around. I threaded the Dyneema > through the covers with a small diameter knitting needle. I am going to > experiment this spring with adding an additional 5/16 or 3/8" cover over > the few feet of halyard tail that actually goes around the winch and into > the cleat, the part you really pull on. The covers are strictly for > comfort/convenience. The Dyneema alone is extremely strong, lightweight, > and has Zero stretch. > > FWIW, Amsteel Blue 1/8" Dyneema is $0.46/ft at West Marine. We just missed > their annual Bulk Rope Sale where, if I remember correctly, it was > $.029/ft! Don't be fooled by the name Amsteel Blue. It comes in a variety > of colors. > > APSLTD.com is still having their January rigging sale offering 25% off > their regular prices. They also sell 1/8" Amsteel Blue Dyneema for > $0.46/ft but the sale price brings it to $0.35. > > APS has lots of cool information about covering halyards, stripping > halyards, etc. They carry just about every kind of sailboat line available > and give lots of guidance on choosing the best line for a particular > purpose. Their print catalog makes for good winter browsing, ask for one. > > Henry > Monita M17 > Chiquita VN 23 > > > > > > > On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Conbert Benneck < chbenneck@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> On 1/26/2016 9:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> If you go to a WEST Marine catalog you can find dacron or other special >> lines, with a small diameter but very high tensile strength. Maybe you >> might consider replacing a halyard with one of these. More than enough >> strength for the job, but very small and light weight. >> >> Connie >> >>> Thin lines aloft help deal with windage (drag and making the hull roll > off >>> to leeward). I have found that going to something like 3/8 on the main >>> sheet helps my hands grip the line more comfortably though. >>> < >>> >
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
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On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I > have > looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing > picture > many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different > projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor > site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like > on > MSOG. > > Henry > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
> On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We > are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our > knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, > blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food > for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) > Warm breezes, > Tom B > < >
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Heh...actually, mailman is one of the oldest listserv softwares on the internet. Vintage 1980's I think in its origins. But it has been well maintained and so does it's relatively simple job well. Haven't looked at TrailerSailor except when I'm googling something and get some hits that are on that forum. Thing is, pictures are still buried in forum threads. No way to collect them in albums of just pictures and captions, or even a bunch of pictures in one location. cheers, John S. On 01/27/2016 02:32 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
I personally find the Trailer Sailor website extremely difficult to use, and often get nonsense error messages when trying to post. It's essentially 1990s era forum software- whereas at least the e-mail list allows us to use modern e-mail software.
Tyler
On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Antonio Martinez <middleriverstudio@gmail.com> wrote:
I know TS has had some 'personal' issues in past - and let's not go there now - but it does seem like a logical home for wrinkleheads. Dunno, I enjoy/learn from this mail-list, but it's awfully tedious at times. Then again I'm a newcomer that mostly lurks, so whadda I know!
The old MSOG is an awesome resource. I just with we had a slightly less cumbersome 'home' :-}
Carry on...
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:49:23 -0800 From: "Keith R. Martin" <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CAOQkDswAUgrXV9bTJh-xH1Jb0_3= eC_qbXvettjW-KZzQ0QE1g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:07:40 -0800 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :M-15 ? Old Rope Message-ID: <7827316E2EA94ECF8193227F8AEC550F@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original
Dave, A similar chart for the M-15 would be useful too. I remember asking you about the M-15 sheets and lines at Pocket Yacht Palooza in Port Townsend, jotting the information in my notebook, then going into the WoodenBoat Foundation Chandlery with my VISA card in hand and buying what I needed, but I would appreciate the information again in a format like you used for the M-17. Steve M-15 # 335
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All lines below double braid -
Main halyard = 1/4" Jib halyard = 5/16" Reefing lines =3/16" Cunningham =3/16" If your hands can stand 1/4" for jib sheets; otherwise 5/16" Main sheet 5/16" Mainsheet traveler = 3/16" Boom vang will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size. Backstay adjuster will be 3/16 or 1/4 depending on vcleat size.
Hope the above is helpful.
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 22, 2016 7:11 PM, "David Rifkind" <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
Need to replace all the rotted rope on what is becoming my M17. (By ?all the rotted rope? I mean _all_ the rope.) The pieces that are left measure 5/16?. That looks right for the halyards and incidentals, but the sheet blocks and cleats look like they were intended for something larger. What is (are) the usual sizes?
About the only piece that isn?t coming apart is the centerboard pendant. It?s tempting to leave it alone as I don?t really have a plan for getting at the centerboard.
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:01:07 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <94A6427F-2B54-47AE-BF3A-388828225801@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I > have > looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing > picture > many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different > projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor > site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like > on > MSOG. > > Henry > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:13:28 -0800 From: Bruce Ward <northwave@telus.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <CE5A78EC-A4E5-4820-827C-7537C7293569@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thanks for your continuing efforts Dave Scobie and Sage boats with the Mboatphotosite. My two Mongomeries went through quite a metamorphosis and I have pictures to share. Our current boat is the M23 Clarity which we got from Jeff a couple of years ago.
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:19:46 -0500 From: Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: <51F10255-6CCA-482C-B269-7075E59D5415@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
> On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We > are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our > knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, > blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food > for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) > Warm breezes, > Tom B > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig... > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig... > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I >> have >> looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing >> picture >> many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different >> projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor >> site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like >> on >> MSOG. >> >> Henry >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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John would I have to make Yahoo my home page? I have gmail and Mozilla Firefox now. Yahoo seems to be all ads. I guess I am totally unfamiliar with your suggestion. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) Warm breezes, Tom B <
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I
have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Now that I have accessed my email again I am at the end of my knowledge of what you just spoke about. sorry. < https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:14 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
The MSOG site doesn't seem to get frequent updates anymore.
What do you guys think about starting a Montgomery/Sage Wiki that anyone can edit or upload to? It would be sort-of like wikipedia, but just for Montgomery sailboats.
We could run something on a free tier Amazon Web Services (AWS) server, but it would have an awful computer generated random hostname of some sort.
Sincerely, Tyler
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Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Msogphotosite isn't done with an update and yet ready for new photos. It will be!
:: Dave Scobie On Jan 26, 2016 4:52 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I have looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing picture many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like on MSOG.
Henry
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Henry, I was thinking of having a small heater on board with you just to see how condensation affected you or any other things you might have not thought of so haven't addressed until you have been surprised on a lake somewhere far away from your shop. Google "Bailing Out On Texoma Sailfest" and you will get the low down on what the festivities entail. Tom
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
Sleeping outdoors during a Minnesota winter has never been very high on my list of things to do, and it certainly is not going to make my bucket list this year. I don't care if it is on a boat, it is still Outdoors!
Tell me more about the Texoma gathering. That is stil a long way for me but might be something to put on the bucket list.
Henry
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Henry, Next January is far enough away that it might be possible to include a trip to AZ. in my wife's and my travel wishes for 2017. I would really like to make one of those. It is great fun sailing with similar or same boats. And the other half of the fun is finding out what others do to solve problems or make their boats more comfortable. I am shooting this year for the get together on lake Texoma north of Dallas. It is a 500 mile haul so a good shakedown trip for even longer adventures. Have you tried sleeping aboard your boat where it is stored for the winter? That would be very informative, I bet. I use that "Trailer Sailor " site. Will look into posting some pictures there of my grand bateau.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Tom, I don't think the turning radius of the sheaves will be a problem. Dyneema/Spectra is being used to replace towing cables on ocean going tug boats where it is repeatedly wound around winches. Off-road enthusiasts are using it on their truck mounted winches. It is also being used in the logging industry instead of logging chains. I'm sure there is a minimum turning radius for a given diameter of line. I haven't googled it but I don't think the sheaves on our wee ships will cause a problem. (As long as they are grooved for rope, not wire.). The main and jib halyards do not turn 180 degrees on single sheaves anyway. They turn 90 degrees on one side of the mast, go across the masthead, and then turn down 90 degrees on the other side. (Can't find the *~?!^* "degree" key on this keyboard!)
Even if the halyard were to lose 50% of its strength because of improper turning radii it would still have a breaking strength of 1000 lb!
Tom, any chance of you going to GO's WICR in Phoenix next January? I'm going to do my best to get there (from Minneapolis.). I would love to see your boat in person and steal/ swap ideas! Got some great ideas when I went last year. In the mean time, post lots of pictures!
Which brings up another subject: can we post new pictures or albums on the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO sites? I'll post that question on a new thread so as not to hijack this one.
Henry
On Tuesday, January 26, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> Henry, > I thought of using that stuff too. Am curious how it stands up to being > rolled over sheaves like at the mast head, repeatedly. I read it doesn't > hold knots well but it is easy to eyesplice. Neat idea about covering it > with the outer shell of older lines. > Tom B > < >
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
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On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
One suggestion...
Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option to get mail or view messages on web or both. I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of pictures.
This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions)
There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then have ability to share pictures, files, etc..
cheers, John S.
> On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We > are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our > knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, > blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food > for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) > Warm breezes, > Tom B > < >
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Message: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 22:28:12 -0600 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group? Message-ID: < CA+TbpAVrsTmokLW38joV7C-P18kNL16QNQQfxy0Rih7kH6TgZg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, good point Henry. No albums on trailer sailor. A Yahoo group or other similar would be better for that. ie the Nor'sea Yahoo group. If the MSOG site or the old photo site I think Dave Scobie is working on preserving allows that, then so much the better, wait for that. It may have the older and still good content.
Nonsuch boats have a Pbase photo site with something like that, but it is not administered anymore. Now just an orphaned photo site.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
The TrailerSailor site is great for allowing you to include photos with a post in a particular thread but can you post a bucket load of pictures about a particular project or solution and organize them into albums or folders? I guess I?ll wait for the MSOG update.
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From: Bill Wickett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Where to post Pictures to the Group?
Why not just post, pics and all to the Montgomery forum on TrailerSailor? It is all set up. The Monty forum there is certainly underutilizes compared to some of the other class forums on that site. You don't even have to deal with the main board if you don't want to.
Bill
On Jan 26, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I think John's suggestion of using a yahoo group has a lot of merit....
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.*
*Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353*
> On 26 January 2016 at 15:14, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: > > One suggestion... > > Move to a Yahoo group, which has file and picture sharing and the option > to get mail or view messages on web or both. > I'm in a few other groups (including sailboat groups) that use Yahoo > groups and it works well to augment the e-mail listserv piece we already > have. Pictures can be in "albums" as well so it's not just one big pile of > pictures. > > This list is AFAIK a mailman listserv - e-mail list - which is basically > all mailman does (and does it very well, for decades now, but, it's just an > e-mail list server, doesn't provide any other features/functions) > > There are other more techie options I won't go into now because they > involve upgrading the MSOG site to something we can all "join" and then > have ability to share pictures, files, etc.. > > cheers, > John S. > >> On 01/26/2016 03:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >> I second that notion. A picture is worth a....well you know the rest. We >> are an inventive bunch. Why not set up something where we can share our >> knowledge and inspiration? Especially in these long, dark, cold, frozen, >> blustery (have I missed any adjectives?) winters. Food for thought is food >> for the spirit. (Have I missed any cliques?) >> Warm breezes, >> Tom B >> < >>
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>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Henry Rodriguez < heinzir@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Is it possible to post new pictures to the MSOG or MSOG PHOTO site? I >>> have >>> looked at, studied, and, in some cases, drooled over each existing >>> picture >>> many times. I would love to see updated pictures and some new/different >>> projects. I know we can include pictures with posts on the TrailerSailor >>> site (why not here?) but I would like to see some whole new albums like >>> on >>> MSOG. >>> >>> Henry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile on Windows 10 phone > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >
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