What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions. Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'. As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time). Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S. Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats. Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice. This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really. Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!! GO - Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research..... In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com writes: Tom, They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Gary, Have to put in a minor dissent. I have an Elliot-Pattison 135% genoa with luff pads which keeps its shape well when partially rolled. I agree that the CDI furler design is pretty bulletproof. No problems in 7 years. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions.
Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'.
As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time).
Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S.
Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats.
Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice.
This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really.
Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!!
GO
- Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research.....
In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
Tom,
They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
I've had my CDI since 2002 without a single malfuntion or problem of any sort. Great unit! And CornDog sails just fine, thank you. Larry Y On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary,
Have to put in a minor dissent. I have an Elliot-Pattison 135% genoa with luff pads which keeps its shape well when partially rolled. I agree that the CDI furler design is pretty bulletproof. No problems in 7 years.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions.
Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'.
As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time).
Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S.
Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats.
Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice.
This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really.
Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!!
GO
- Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research.....
In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
Tom,
They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
> On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: > > Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are > attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler > taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present > setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve > the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
I would take Larry’s word for anything related to M17s, but I have had the same excellent results with a CDI on my later model M17 (2004). It may not be optimal for racing, but I happily use it for reducing jib size in a blow. Tom J On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had my CDI since 2002 without a single malfuntion or problem of any sort. Great unit! And CornDog sails just fine, thank you.
Larry Y
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary,
Have to put in a minor dissent. I have an Elliot-Pattison 135% genoa with luff pads which keeps its shape well when partially rolled. I agree that the CDI furler design is pretty bulletproof. No problems in 7 years.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions.
Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'.
As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time).
Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S.
Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats.
Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice.
This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really.
Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!!
GO
- Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research.....
In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
Tom,
They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling > system > Nick > M17 > > Nick and Pam > >> On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >> Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are >> attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler >> taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present >> setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve >> the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH. >
I highly recommend reducing the size of the main sail over the headsail every time. I've flown a largish headsail with a reef in the main in high winds with excellent results. I'm a hanked on headsail sailor and will do so until I can no longer crawl forward, besides, it's quite easy to rig a reef in a headsail that's controlled from the cockpit. t On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenkins@schat.net> wrote:
I would take Larry’s word for anything related to M17s, but I have had the same excellent results with a CDI on my later model M17 (2004). It may not be optimal for racing, but I happily use it for reducing jib size in a blow.
Tom J
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had my CDI since 2002 without a single malfuntion or problem of any sort. Great unit! And CornDog sails just fine, thank you.
Larry Y
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary,
Have to put in a minor dissent. I have an Elliot-Pattison 135% genoa with luff pads which keeps its shape well when partially rolled. I agree that the CDI furler design is pretty bulletproof. No problems in 7 years.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions.
Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'.
As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time).
Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S.
Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats.
Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice.
This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really.
Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!!
GO
- Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research.....
In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
Tom,
They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
> On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: > > Nick, > > Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently > you haven't seen one before. > > Rik > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> > wrote: > >> The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling >> system >> Nick >> M17 >> >> Nick and Pam >> >>> On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are >>> attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler >>> taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present >>> setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve >>> the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH. >>
I agree with Tom regarding reefing the main first. I was sailing up in the Sunshine Coast area of BC earlier this month when the strong NW winds that were blasting the R2Ak'ers were also giving us trouble. Fighting against the strong winds and also the currents much of the time, I found it hard to make any headway until I settled on a sail set with the full 150 unfurled and a reef in the main. Of course, there were still times when the 150 had to be partially furled, but the boat really preferred having the full headsail. Larry On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
I highly recommend reducing the size of the main sail over the headsail every time. I've flown a largish headsail with a reef in the main in high winds with excellent results.
I'm a hanked on headsail sailor and will do so until I can no longer crawl forward, besides, it's quite easy to rig a reef in a headsail that's controlled from the cockpit. t
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenkins@schat.net> wrote:
I would take Larry’s word for anything related to M17s, but I have had the same excellent results with a CDI on my later model M17 (2004). It may not be optimal for racing, but I happily use it for reducing jib size in a blow.
Tom J
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had my CDI since 2002 without a single malfuntion or problem of any sort. Great unit! And CornDog sails just fine, thank you.
Larry Y
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Gary,
Have to put in a minor dissent. I have an Elliot-Pattison 135% genoa with luff pads which keeps its shape well when partially rolled. I agree that the CDI furler design is pretty bulletproof. No problems in 7 years.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What I really love about Flexible Furler is 'stick and stone technology' as simple and bombproof as one could make it - if they are installed correctly they are a fine piece of equipment - very low on the bling factor and subsequently some dismiss them as less than good equipment. Guys - Read the Instructions.
Bottom line if you want trailer ability/adjustability AND a tight headstay - forget a 'furler'.
As for reefing with the typical units available in use - you are actually kidding yourself - Results of 'reefed sail' is typically a very poorly shaped sail generating excess side force (sag in luff & draft aft) that has made the situation worse. Jerry's original version of slab reefed jib is a much better and easily accomplished response to overpowered conditions. (he didn't even pay me to say that - this time).
Halyards attached to foils can be a REAL PIA! - a downhaul and new sheets attached to reefed clew is pretty darn easy AND inexpensive. Stanley says -"add lightness' this also translates also to K.I.S.S.
Large units are much better engineered. They typically cost more than our boats.
Just my opinion - I have had plenty of customers' bring in furlers that : jamb - unroll, break the foil, jamb the luff tape, over ride the drum - list goes on..... Harken used to be the schizzle - Snap Furl , CDI all have had or are having their day, but I think I am not going to wait for the Be All End All unit and will go with slab reefing for my choice.
This is just some opinionated guys version and he happens to own a WrinkleBoat and a computer - FWIW ladies and gents. Beside who the fudge cares what I put on my boat? really.
Keep it fun Make sure it is SAFE and works!!
GO
- Instead of procrastinating - I'll take it under advisement and do additional research.....
In a message dated 6/27/2015 10:26:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;> writes:
Tom,
They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a > disaster.. > I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that. > > Bill Ahrens > W. A. Ahrens & Associates > >> On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >> Nick, >> >> Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently >> you haven't seen one before. >> >> Rik >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < > nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> >> wrote: >> >>> The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling >>> system >>> Nick >>> M17 >>> >>> Nick and Pam >>> >>>> On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds > are >>>> attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler >>>> taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present >>>> setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably > solve >>>> the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH. >>> > >
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